Mattel DC Figures

You're wildly missing the point or being intentionally obtuse.

You are claiming Mattel is going to do something based on what will happen: You are claiming these WILL sell more than Batman and Superman toys. And you are claiming that based on that fact, Mattel chose how to allocate resources to the figures. So where is the data that proves you are right? If it's just true that X will happen, there has to be data to show it. Data which Mattel would have relied on to make the decision you are claiming that they made.

For instance; did Miraculous product outsell Batman and Superman product the first year it was released? Miraculous was extremely popular a few years back and there was a similar attitude of 'why isn't there product for this?' with parents angry because they couldn't get stuff for their kids birthdays and Christmas and such. When that product finally arrived - did it outsell Batman?
Hint: No. It didn't.

Has ANY 'first time ever' toy product in the last 15 years outsold Batman and Superman product? The sales data is all out there for you to peruse. Do you want me to just answer the question for you because you don't actually know how to do data analysis?
The answer is..... huge surprise incoming; No.

There is no data to support that the launch of a 'first time ever' toyline for a brand, even a seemingly popular brand, will result in toy sales that even -match- Batman and Superman merchandise, let alone surpass it. There is no evidence that KPDH's popularity as a FILM will even translate to sales as toys (there is a MASSIVE treasure trove of data to show poor sales on product lines related to current/popular brands because those brands' popularity did not translate to SALES for any number of reasons).
In short: You are talking entirely and completely out of your ass. You don't know how any of this works. You should just stop and trust me when I say that Mattel is not spending more money on the KPDH launch than on the launch of their reacquired licensing for the most popular characters in the history of our species.
No you’re illiterate

My initial comment made no mention of DC. It was about initial tooling cost recovery

They know they are guaranteed to sell millions of those toys around the world. Even if there’s a slight over budget on initial production they know it’s coming back that 10 fold in sales that it’s not a risk.
You made this some DC va Demon Hunter pissing contest



And didn’t Bratz outsell the longstanding Barbie brand in it initial run?
 
No you’re illiterate

My initial comment made no mention of DC. It was about initial tooling cost recovery


You made this some DC va Demon Hunter pissing contest
Wow. That's some incredibly dishonest bullshit. Also, it's "no, you're illiterate.' Or 'No. You're illiterate.' If you're going to question my literacy, maybe use proper grammar, you fucking doorknob.

Let's go by the sequence of what was actually said, because you're too braindead to remember, apparently:

Back on Page 67, you responded to RexMason. He said the KPDH figures are loaded with accessories and he hopes they manage something similar with DC collector figures. Your response was, as you said, it's not a risk to go over budget with them because they're 'guaranteed' to make it back 10 fold. Which is simply... not true. It's not a guarantee. You're dumb if you think it is. Or it was hyperbole. I'll wait while you look that up.
Moving along....

I responded that I don't think anyone at Mattel expects KPDH to outsell Batman and Superman; the implication being that if they don't have to worry about KPDH, they'd also not have to worry about Batman and Superman. At no point in my response did I say they expected poor sales or saying that YOU said KPDH would sell better than Batman. I also wasn't making a new comparison - but referencing back to Rex's comparison that you responded to. Dipshit.

Then YOU responded with this dumb fucking gem:


Is this a joke? Before the movie yeah.

But now.

That’s like wondering if Zootopia 2 will make more than Batman and Superman after the success of the first one. The possibility is very high.

You decided to make the direct challenge (which you are now claiming you did not posit at all) about whether or not KPDH -could- and -would- outsell Batman and Superman. The implication of your above stupid-ass post is VERY clear to anyone... you know... literate.

You asked me if I were joking when I said Mattel did not expect KPDH to outsell Batman and Superman. You said that. I didn't force you to say it. I didn't say anything except that any inferences we can make about Mattel's ability to 'go overbudget in anticipation of sales' for KPDH would also apply, even moreso, to DC. YOU made it a challenge to argue that KPDH would, in fact, outsell DC. Your dishonesty about it now is mind-boggling.
You also doubled down in another post by pointing out that having the license first means they'll sell better than a license that's been passed around and had many opportunities for figures. YOU made the assertion you are saying you did not make.


Then I asked you to provide DATA to support what you were claiming as a fact; that KPDH, being a new property and first time toyline, would/could outsell DC. Since you were claiming strong sales as the REASON Mattel would budget a certain way, there would have to be data to support your assertion because it's the data Mattel would be using to make the decision you are claiming they would make.

You responded to this request for data by saying.... Mattel is the first license-holder for this property and that is 'proved.' Because you're a fucking idiot that can't read or understand logic.

Now's a good point to also bring up that at no point here did you say you're not saying KPDH could outsell DC. You'd spent a couple of posts saying exactly the opposite, actually ("they are the first license holder and this is proof of what I'm saying" is tacit confirmation you are continuing with the same argument you'd previously made).

NOW that I've pointed out how fucking stupid your argument is to the point where there is literally nothing you can say to dig out of your hole, you're just (badly) backpeddling and saying 'well, I never said that.'
Except, you did. You transparently lying dipshit.

Christ. Wouldn't it have been way easier to say "yeah, that's fair" - save some face, and move the fuck on with your life? Now everyone knows you read at a third grade level and don't understand what 'data' is. That's embarrassing for all of us.
 
Wow. That's some incredibly dishonest bullshit. Also, it's "no, you're illiterate.' Or 'No. You're illiterate.' If you're going to question my literacy, maybe use proper grammar, you fucking doorknob.

Let's go by the sequence of what was actually said, because you're too braindead to remember, apparently:

Back on Page 67, you responded to RexMason. He said the KPDH figures are loaded with accessories and he hopes they manage something similar with DC collector figures. Your response was, as you said, it's not a risk to go over budget with them because they're 'guaranteed' to make it back 10 fold. Which is simply... not true. It's not a guarantee. You're dumb if you think it is. Or it was hyperbole. I'll wait while you look that up.
Moving along....

I responded that I don't think anyone at Mattel expects KPDH to outsell Batman and Superman; the implication being that if they don't have to worry about KPDH, they'd also not have to worry about Batman and Superman. At no point in my response did I say they expected poor sales or saying that YOU said KPDH would sell better than Batman. I also wasn't making a new comparison - but referencing back to Rex's comparison that you responded to. Dipshit.

Then YOU responded with this dumb fucking gem:




You decided to make the direct challenge (which you are now claiming you did not posit at all) about whether or not KPDH -could- and -would- outsell Batman and Superman. The implication of your above stupid-ass post is VERY clear to anyone... you know... literate.

You asked me if I were joking when I said Mattel did not expect KPDH to outsell Batman and Superman. You said that. I didn't force you to say it. I didn't say anything except that any inferences we can make about Mattel's ability to 'go overbudget in anticipation of sales' for KPDH would also apply, even moreso, to DC. YOU made it a challenge to argue that KPDH would, in fact, outsell DC. Your dishonesty about it now is mind-boggling.
You also doubled down in another post by pointing out that having the license first means they'll sell better than a license that's been passed around and had many opportunities for figures. YOU made the assertion you are saying you did not make.


Then I asked you to provide DATA to support what you were claiming as a fact; that KPDH, being a new property and first time toyline, would/could outsell DC. Since you were claiming strong sales as the REASON Mattel would budget a certain way, there would have to be data to support your assertion because it's the data Mattel would be using to make the decision you are claiming they would make.

You responded to this request for data by saying.... Mattel is the first license-holder for this property and that is 'proved.' Because you're a fucking idiot that can't read or understand logic.

Now's a good point to also bring up that at no point here did you say you're not saying KPDH could outsell DC. You'd spent a couple of posts saying exactly the opposite, actually ("they are the first license holder and this is proof of what I'm saying" is tacit confirmation you are continuing with the same argument you'd previously made).

NOW that I've pointed out how fucking stupid your argument is to the point where there is literally nothing you can say to dig out of your hole, you're just (badly) backpeddling and saying 'well, I never said that.'
Except, you did. You transparently lying dipshit.

Christ. Wouldn't it have been way easier to say "yeah, that's fair" - save some face, and move the fuck on with your life? Now everyone knows you read at a third grade level and don't understand what 'data' is. That's embarrassing for all of us.
Fair. I’m a math major so let’s break down this equation down.

So I wasn’t talking to you. Agreed.

Neither I or the person I responded to mention outselling Batman or Superman. We were talking about production. Higher production bring down cost which is 100% a fact and this is a brand new line with nothing to retool or reuse. Fact. So we know they will be high production cause the market is empty and they missed the initial window. Fact.


You did but your nose with a random comment beginning all of this.

This makes no sense you admit to saying Mattel doesn’t anticipate outselling DC(Made up opinion unless you work at Mattel) then a sentence later say you only inferred. So which is it? You infer or you stated a made up fact?

Then go on act like I’m the one making the argument. Fact.

Your asking for data makes no sense cause I never said anything other than Mattel will have a second crack at a license that has belonged to other companies. Fact. And we see how fans react to spending money when they have something to compare it to which is why I named checked the discussions on this forum to how fans spend money.You apparently raced over to comment and never bothered to read the rest of the post
 
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