General Marvel Legends

Beamish said:
This is the Hepzibah I always assumed they'd make. Seems like something that could be made from existing molds with the exception of the shoulder thing, the holster and if they were to do sculpted gloves instead of paint. And a new head of course.

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RichardSimmonsRobot said:
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I'm fine with either of these personally as the tiara version was the arc with Vulcan in space. I don't see needing two versions of this character, at least for me. I do wish Corsair had the right colored headband at least though.
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I'd be fine with any of this, but with a strong preference for the yellow unitard. Hepzibah is one of those characters where her iconic look in my mind is more like a combination of costume elements over a singular look. Cat lady, big 'ol tail, yellow costume and guns and I'm happy.
 
Schizm said:
This is what probably happened to Serpent Society - Rock Python probably killed it. BUT is that fair?
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That would be wildly unfair. That's like making Windshear or Cerise and saying "they didn't sell super well, guess no one's interested in Alpha Flight or Excalibur". Sure, all of the Serpents are relatively deep cuts but Rock Python and Puff Adder are particularly deep cuts. Diamondback, Sidewinder, Anaconda, etc would have sold better and encouraged people to get the deeper cuts later on.
 
Beamish said:
This is the Hepzibah I always assumed they'd make. Seems like something that could be made from existing molds with the exception of the shoulder thing, the holster and if they were to do sculpted gloves instead of paint. And a new head of course.

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What the Christ is that, where's the skunk lady? Boooo, hiss etc.

Anyway, as far as the BAF rumour goes, I have never done one. I've seen a few over the years I like the look of (Blackheart, What If's Uatu, movie Cassie, Zabu) but never enough to actually bother going for it. But if you tell me that they'd do Jim Lee's Alpha Flight with Heather, Purple Girl, Box et al, I will buy the entire fuckin' lot day one, end of, this I vow.
 
Schizm said:
This is what probably happened to Serpent Society - Rock Python probably killed it. BUT is that fair?

Tbolts sold well, right? Songbird, Citizen V, Mach-1 didn't linger in stores. But no new figures. Unless we're going to hold Walgreens apparently unsold stock of Moonstone and Zemo against the team.

I have to argue that other figures received poorly is not a good reason to not finish teams - maybe they were received poorly bc the whole team is not represented. Remember when people saw only Jim Lee Rogue in the Juggernaut wave and said "I'm not buying that - there are no other JL figs!" That was short-sighted thinking on fans part. Hasbro has all the tools to be much better and smarter than that and not leave their own customers left hanging - customers who have *always* expressed they don't like being left hanging on this topic.
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That makes sense from the fan/collector standpoint, but for Hasbro they just look at how past figures in a team sold and use that to forecast what the rest might do. If they have reason to believe it won't sell then they won't make it. Someone like Dwight might care about unfinished teams, but Hasbro the entity could not care less. They just want to sell more figures.
 
EnigmaticClarity said:
Is Starfox a deep cut? He seems about as deep as Black Bolt. If you split the characters up into tiers of popularity both Black Bolt and Starfox are somewhere around the C or D level, and Champion and Triton are down around E to F, or whatever the lowest grade levels are.
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I'd say Starfox is closer to Triton than Black Bolt. Going by CMRO Black Bolt has 381 appearances, Triton has 246, Starfox has 201, and Champion has 47. Starfox's biggest appeal as a figure is completing the early 80s era Avengers, just as Triton's biggest appeal is finishing the Inhumans Royal Family. Outside of that it's kinda equal, with Triton appearing in the unloved Inhumans show and Starfox getting a brief Harry Styles cameo in a movie most people didn't like in a tease that will never be paid off. Black Bolt had that same awful Inhumans show but also a brief appearance in a Doctor Strange movie and he's a member of the comic Illuminati.

Champion is an Elder of the Universe but not one of the major ones, and we don't have any of the others in comic form.
 
Man was not meant to survive on Spiderman, Wolverine and Iron Man suits alone.

I seem to remember Hasbro saying something about focusing more on their bigger name characters that sell, however I think that only works for a while and then you're in the rut of "alright, that group of 8 year olds grew up, time for the next batch of the same thing for this group of 8 year olds." I realize Marvel Legends isn't for children but a reliance on name recognition entirely will put a brand into that mindset that it IS just serving the same McDonalds hamburger to the next client that wants the same thing.

I'd draw a parallel with a lot of the younger crowd who love Pokemon because it's what they grew up with. If all they get are Pikachu and 5-6 other notables there's not really any breadth to that line, and everyone's got their favorite weird obscure character others aren't interested in. That's where conveying VALUE to the consumer comes in, whether it be in completing teams or variants or just making something so cool it's difficult to avoid not wanting it. I'm not a Spiderman guy but I've bought a fair number of Spidermen and his villains based on "I like the colors" and "it's too cool looking not to buy." Having a decent price point where the customer doesn't have to do too much handwringing over whether or not they really need it or having figures that don't quite literally fall apart (or plastic that tears easily) right after you paid $50-$60 bucks for it also goes a long way.

It'd be like a Simpsons line where all you get are the core family and maybe a few others and then the momentum dies and you have to start under a different company or in a different scale...
 
renfield75 said:
Going by CMRO Black Bolt has 381 appearances, Triton has 246, Starfox has 201, and Champion has 47
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Wow, I guess they didn't use Starfox much after his 80s Avengers run then. I've probably read more comics with Triton than Starfox since I'm a big Fantastic Four fan, but he usually just stands in the background when the Inhumans are around whereas I remember Starfox being the center of some of the Avengers stories. Starfox seems more significant since he was more prominently featured as an Avenger, but I didn't realize that his prominence was so short-lived to end up with less total appearances than Triton.

Hasn't Starfox been on a bunch of the want lists around here? I think that's the reason I even remember him because several of you guys have been asking for him for so long. That may be part of the reason Ryan and Dan thought he was the carry for that 2-pack since they've both said they look at those lists.
 
RichardSimmonsRobot said:
Man was not meant to survive on Spiderman, Wolverine and Iron Man suits alone.

I seem to remember Hasbro saying something about focusing more on their bigger name characters that sell, however I think that only works for a while and then you're in the rut of "alright, that group of 8 year olds grew up, time for the next batch of the same thing for this group of 8 year olds." I realize Marvel Legends isn't for children but a reliance on name recognition entirely will put a brand into that mindset that it IS just serving the same McDonalds hamburger to the next client that wants the same thing.
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The only example Dwight explicitly referenced this weekend was Triton being possible only by packing him with Black Bolt, and Black Bolt certainly isn't an A or B list character. He just meant at least one of the two characters in a 2-pack has to be somewhat popular for the pack to sell.

A bit more context for Dwight's quote is that his comment about 2-packs was in reference to a question about the reduction in BAF waves. He said that the deep cuts they used to finance with BAF waves have partially moved into 2-packs with a more popular character.
 
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EnigmaticClarity said:
The only example Dwight explicitly referenced this weekend was Triton being possible only by packing him with Black Bolt, and Black Bolt certainly isn't an A or B list character. He just meant at least one of the two characters in a 2-pack has to be somewhat popular for the pack to sell.

A bit more context for Dwight's quote is that his comment about 2-packs was in reference to a question about the reduction in BAF waves. He said that the deep cuts they used to finance with BAF waves have partially moved into 2-packs with a more popular character.
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I'm referring more to statements made overall by Hasbro themselves around the time they were talking about expecting declining sales given the economy and their man in charge wanting to extract as much profit out of people as possible before sales drag. I don't blame the ML customer-facing folks for that, since higher up the food chain those decisions to heavily focus on core characters are being made.
 
Beamish said:
Here's another good interview from London. For all you MCU fans - go towards the end when they discuss upcoming MCU stuff, and Dwight says "you might be seeing things from past movies that were missed".


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As long as he means more than just the new wave of Deadpool figures, then I'm down! Ain't getting my hopes up for any specifics, but team finishers and villains are always welcome!
 
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