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I like what I like and I don't want to talk about it.
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I totally get that.

I am not the same way, as evidenced by .. me, all the time. But also I am like that to some extent. I love to talk about the stuff I like and don't like and I'll go back and forth about it because I find it interesting. I want to know why you didn't like the thing I like. It doesn't hurt my feelings (not saying you said that). And I'm not trying to hurt feelings when I deep-dive why I don't like something. I genuinely find it interesting to disagree about this stuff, I find it helpful to talk out (or type out) my own thoughts and feelings on stuff, and I want to see what other people have to say because their perspective interests me.

BUT, I will completely shut down on someone that is clearly just a bad faith actor. They just want to hate on something? No thank you. I'm not going to waste my time getting into a 'debate' about my preferences with someone that doesn't actually care why we disagree and just wants to use me to dump on something.
 
Just to throw another perspective out there, this may be very particular to our age group. I work with High School age kids and seen them at their best and seen that at their worst. I run the video game club, and we have a lot of the football team and diving team join us before practice and play. I watched one our esports players play rocket league with one of our football players and when it was done the football player asked to see his phone. He put his number in there and told our esports player to text him so they can hang out on discord. It was the first time they met. They are friends to this day. I can give you a dozen more stories like that, that occurred in different settings. Kids hate each other for far more personal reasons then archetypal roles these days. I've watched "nerds," "burnouts," and "jocks" all plan to watch Naruto later together. The old cliques aren't as strong as people over 35 think they are. I've been doing this for 25 years and watched the change. Archetypal roles in High School are not what they once were. Comics, anime, manga, soprts are so ubiquitous now that few will be harassed for just liking those things, there's usually another component layered on top of it.

This is why they share experiences, to bond. And I'm sure someone has a story to disprove that, but I'm just offering a counterpoint. I'm just saying shared experiences bond us. It's why we don't do things with significant others and never talk about it with them.
 
Dek said:
Archetypal roles in High School are not what they once were. Comics, anime, manga, soprts are so ubiquitous now that few will be harassed for just liking those things, there's usually another component layered on top of it.
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As the father of a teenage daughter and almost-teenage son; can confirm. Things are definitely different now and hobbies/interests seem to be less a source of contention as they might have been 20 years ago or more. There's, of course, other things that kids decide to hate each other over. But it's definitely not how I remember it.
 
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I have never been convinced that the group dynamics in HS has ever been as bad as it gets stereotyped, but it does become a self fulfilling prophecy a bit that people expect it. We did a study almost 30 years ago where one finding was that HS school kids pretty much said they liked the nerds and smart kids and found most of the popular kids overrated (although most said they had friends and respected people in all the groups), but they also reported that it was everyone else that loved the popular kids and disliked the nerds. So as a group they would not break the stereotypes because they were not comfortable expressing their personal views and say "why not invite so and so" because they believed it would be rejected - when in fact the majority probably would have been fine with it. My hope is that the teen comedies and books would drop the focus on people being ostracized because I think the teens believe it too much. Not saying that there aren't groups but we forget that kids are trying to learn new social dynamics and they will mimic what they see from others.
 
fac said:
I have never been convinced that the group dynamics in HS has ever been as bad as it gets stereotyped, but it does become a self fulfilling prophecy a bit that people expect it. We did a study almost 30 years ago where one finding was that HS school kids pretty much said they liked the nerds and smart kids and found most of the popular kids overrated (although most said they had friends and respected people in all the groups), but they also reported that it was everyone else that loved the popular kids and disliked the nerds.
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When I was in HS, I don't think it ever came off like some kind of visceral hatred or blood feud or anything. The group dynamics weren't 'this group good, that group bad.' It was more in the sense that like individuals just tended to cluster and then become increasingly insular. Once you clocked yourself as a 'stoner,' for instance, you would tend to just stick to hanging out with the other stoners.

It's that... tribalism, I guess.. that I think current-gen students have been able to more successfully move away from.
 
I love the last few pages of discourse here. I am someone who LOVES comic books, science fiction, fantasy and obviously action figures.... bit I also nerd out hard over Football and am currently vegging on my couch watching March Madness basketball...

There are gatekeeping a-holes across the spectrum but also plenty of chill cool people that are hardcore into their thing, whichever thing that is.

I love discussing any of those interests with people, and I keep myself pretty well informed so I can shut down the blowhards when they start to gatekeep or perform other acts of douchebaggery.

But hobbies are interesting and cool, so while I may not get the same joy out of a rare coin as a numismaticist or appreciate a stamp the same as a philatelist I can happily listen to them explain why something is rare or cool or interesting.

Luckily my group of friends are comic nerds who also like sports - though some love golf, which I don't care for, and some of them love fine brandy, which isn't my thing, and some of us are English Premiere League fans, while others aren't, and some love professional wrestling while others don't care about it... and we get along great and are interested when someone talks about one of their niche interests that the rest aren't into.

I guess its pretty special to have a group like that... I better go let them know I appreciate them 😊
 
Damien said:
As the father of a teenage daughter and almost-teenage son; can confirm. Things are definitely different now and hobbies/interests seem to be less a source of contention as they might have been 20 years ago or more. There's, of course, other things that kids decide to hate each other over. But it's definitely not how I remember it.
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I have worked with emotionally disturbed children for 26 years now, from ages 6 to 19, in various roles including classroom teacher. I say what I do as a person with real experience even though I don't have children of my own. So, I find it interesting we see these changes from opposite approaches to the high school life. Or at least complimentary approaches.

I went to school in the 80's and 90's and it is a much different animal now. Also overall high school experiences vary from place to place. I had a very stereotypical experience, but my buddy who grew up an hour away had a much different one. I think it's not until our 20's that we can see the world outside of ourselves, and it becomes hard to remember if our experiences were right as we remember them to be, because we now look back with an extended world view and greater societal and social context. But I may be speaking out of my ass on that last point.
 
Dek said:
I have worked with emotionally disturbed children for 26 years now
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Well, good news, your expertise with emotionally disturbed children may also be useful on this very forum. Please send us your resume.

Dek said:
But I may be speaking out of my ass on that last point.
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Possibly, but I think I agree with you anyway. I am not a teacher, but I can make note of my observations of both of my kids and how they interact with themselves, their peers, and the world at large. And I think there's a tendency, especially with my daughter, to view their peers -as- the world around them. The peer groups, the school culture, etc, seems like it becomes the most important thing and they almost get tunnel vision about it.
And I think back and say.. you know.. I probably did that too, and I can probably cite instances where I was doing that as a teen. And it wouldn't have been until my very late teens or early 20s where I started seeing that stuff as only a small part of what's actually going on in society.

What that has to do with the Four Horsemen, I do not know. I've definitely lost the plot on that one. But that's AT!
 
PantherCult said:
I love discussing any of those interests with people...
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I talked to guy at the LCBS who is a historical linguist. He was in the middle of a big research project that really excited him. When I asked him about it he did the clichéd don't get me started. I assured him that I love hearing from nerdy people about their nerdy fascinations and that I had nowhere to be for the next 30 minutes. He geeked out about the origins of language and I wish I could remember a single thing he said.
 
Red Ogre said:
I wish I could remember a single thing he said.
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If it makes you feel better; I know virtually nothing about Minecraft despite the fact that I have collected at least 100 hours of my son info-dumping about it to me. I love him more than breathing, but I'll be damned if I can retain a single thing about that hideous game.
 
My work with young people in their 20s and lower definitely supports the “Breakfast Club stuff less prevalent now” theory.
I also remeber pre-Kevin Smith and post-Kevin Smith: not that he’s the only fulcrum of that change, but things changed a lot around that time.
ALSO my personal experience in high school was heavily influenced by being at an all-boys Catholic school: I had a great HS experience overall, but I do NOT recommend that path, or at least I wouldn’t to someone going back to that time/place. That was definitely the solidification experience for my “ohhhh fuck men and male culture are fucking disgusting and shitty and nasty and mean and dumb and I want noooooo part of that ‘clique’” mentality. I was a jock, a nerd, a theatre kid, popular (not in *that* way, though) AND a weirdo, and the theatre kids were the only place I truly felt comfortable . . . and the theatre kids were the only coed group.
And man, no one in the whole damn school (except the theatre kids) understood why I quit Varsity football AND Varsity wrestling my junior year to focus on theatre and martial arts. Like “why would you purposely drop the *important* and *cool* activities?????” kind of pushback. It was weird as shit. But these were guys who used “girl” as an insult, so 🤷‍♂️.


. . . I don’t have any dwarves.
 
(Just interrupting a very good discussion on much bigger things to chime with how funny it is how the one thing we're all in agreement on is okay fine, we can all agree the Mythic Legions dwarves are pretty darn good, whatever our other complaints are. The dwarven monk is a banger of a figure FWIW)
 
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