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So you insult me or anger me and I don't like that so I can kill you to get back at you; I can't get as much money as I want so I will take it as needed; I don't get the respect or deference I deserve so I will make you fear me through pain and harassment.

not to do another side thing, but this reminds me of a great table top rpg hack i got to play a few wees ago.

fave game is Masks a New Generation, which is about playing young adult superhero stories.

Well, someone made a hack called Cabers, about playing a team of villains doing jobs together. And one of the things in the rules is whenever you roll a 6- you have to say who or what you blame for this (failure, mistake, problem) because "It's never my fault"

And that mentality is so perfect for playing comic book supervillains.
 
I just get tired with modern media presenting Batman as "a serious character for serious adults". Like, Matt Reeves saying "We're going to make a gritty and realistic Batman"

as opposed to....the 90s? Like Reeves, we've had so much gritty realistic batman, let him be silly again
I do think it can be both. I mean, at any given time there seems to always be more than one Batman. Wasn't the 'Caped Crusader' cartoon airing at the same time as the Reeves movie came out, or when it came out on streaming maybe? And there's always a stream of Batman animated movies with more or less seriousness associated with them.

Batman is just one of those characters - we're talking about him in the Marvel thread after all - that never seems to get old or over-exposed. You can have three animated Batman movies, an entire ongoing animated show, and two live action movie appearances all in the same year and no one ... BATS... an eye.
See what I did there? Oh yeah. Lots more of that coming.

I'm more than okay with someone like Reeves saying 'I want to do an ultra-grounded, serious Batman.' Sure dude.. do it. I just don't want that to mean no one else can make a different Batman, and to be fair I don't think it means that at all.

Also.. Teen Titans Go! obviously has the best version of Batman.



. I came to the conclusion long ago that I was never going to love any live-action superhero thing as much as I love my favorite animated superhero things.
Me too. And, to be fair, some of the animated superhero stuff that exists is a MASSIVELY high bar to clear.
 
fave game is Masks a New Generation, which is about playing young adult superhero stories.
I think I'm going to take a swing at running masks next year. I think I want to run my home group through a alt universe Generation X game. Really can't wait to try that system out.
Well, someone made a hack called Cabers, about playing a team of villains doing jobs together. And one of the things in the rules is whenever you roll a 6- you have to say who or what you blame for this (failure, mistake, problem) because "It's never my fault"
Oh that's perfect.
 
I just get tired with modern media presenting Batman as "a serious character for serious adults". Like, Matt Reeves saying "We're going to make a gritty and realistic Batman"

Batman was a very serious character when he first appeared. But those were serious times. Fascism was on the rise in Europe and here at home. We were on the verge of entering a second world war as we were just coming out of a world wide depression. Organized crime was gaining a foothold in the cities. And juvenile delinquency was becoming a very big social problem.

And that was the state the world was in when four of comics biggest icons, Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman and Captain America, were created.

This was Batman then:

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Spooky. Scary. A dark avenger of the night, fighting gruesomely disfigured and insane villains like the Joker, Two-Face and Clayface.

And then the 50's and 60's rolled around and Batman started appearing in cartoons, as as on lunch boxes and coloring books. And then there was the TV show with Adam West. So in the comics it was sci-fi adventures with Bat-Mite in the 50's and campy villains and puns in the 60's.

The 70's came along and creators like Denny O'Neil, Neal Adams, Steve Englehart and Marshall Rogers took Batman back to his pulp roots.

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And then there was the 80's and Frank Miller. In the DCU, Batman's been played pretty straight ever since.

To me, the thing that makes Batman such a great and truly iconic character is the same thing that makes the Lone Ranger, the Green Hornet and Zorro great. An all consuming love for justice, and the idea that one man can make a difference. And that's it. To me (And I get it if you disagree) Batman represents justice.

To me, Wonder Woman represents truth. Not "my truth", not "your truth", just the truth. She's a poet, a philosopher, a scientist and a scholar. To this day, I never thought of her as a warrior and it makes me sad to see here with a sword and a shield. She represents an ideal to little girls and women: That they don't have to accept the limitations that man has put on them. That they can be anything they want to be. She'll fight if she has to, but only if she has to. She is meant to inspire, not mete out vengeance. Yes, truth. It's so appropriate, because her creator, Dr. William Moulton Marston, created the systolic blood pressure test, which led to the invention of the polygraph machine, the modern lie detector.

Superman is simple. He's a friend. In the 1979 movie directed by Richard Donner, Lois Lane asked him "Who are you?" and he simply replied "a friend." That's it exactly. He's there when you need him, someone who can do all the things that we can't. He has powers and abilities far beyond those of mortal men, and he uses them for the greater good and in the service of society.

Steve Rogers. Captain America. He's pretty basic, too. He's a man who does good simply for the sake of being good. He was a weak kid who was bullied the entire time he was growing up, and now he stands against fascism and for freedom. He sees tyrants and fascists as bullies and thugs and he will stand up to them every time. He's maybe one of the few heroes in the Marvel Universe who can give orders to a God and the God obeys him simply out of respect.

I think that's why these characters have been around for decades and have become cultural icons. Obviously there have been many different interpretations and no one can say that there is only one right way to look at them. But if you boil them down to their essence that's what you've got.
 
They're rereleasing the 20th Captain America...I'd like to hope this last hurrah means we'll get a better sculpt in the future, but I mean, who am I kidding?
 
I'm disappointed that I kept mine sealed, always unsure if I wanted to open it. Just waiting for them to make something better. I won't be salty about the rerelease (I bet the rerelease will be more than what I paid), but I do wonder where/when Power Princess is going back up, I need backups/dupes!
 
Batman was a very serious character when he first appeared. But those were serious times. Fascism was on the rise in Europe and here at home. We were on the verge of entering a second world war as we were just coming out of a world wide depression. Organized crime was gaining a foothold in the cities. And juvenile delinquency was becoming a very big social problem.
Thank god we're past all that now.
 
A random thought I had in relation to the upcoming (not yet confirmed, but come on, we know) Onslaught rerelease, is i kinda wish we'd get a single card release of the Shadow King. Like, Onslaught will almost certainly be the old BAF with a refreshed head. Wouldn't it be cool if we got that old Kingpin body with a new coat of paint and a refreshed Shadow King head? That's not much to ask, right?
I'm looking at spending money on a Kingpin body to use the Farouk head on. They ABSOLUTELY will make Shadow King ten minutes after I spend that money.
 
Batman was a very serious character when he first appeared. But those were serious times. Fascism was on the rise in Europe and here at home. We were on the verge of entering a second world war as we were just coming out of a world wide depression. Organized crime was gaining a foothold in the cities. And juvenile delinquency was becoming a very big social problem.

And that was the state the world was in when four of comics biggest icons, Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman and Captain America, were created.
okay, yes, sure.

But Batman didnt really become the batman people know and like until Robin showed up.

Up until then he was Bob kane's shadow rip off.

Like, this is when he starts to become the hero that modern audiences are more familiar with

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at least in terms of the backstory we've all become familiar with



Wasn't the 'Caped Crusader' cartoon airing at the same time as the Reeves movie came out, or when it came out on streaming maybe?

well, it came out last year, so like two years after The Batman, but also like. Caped Crusader is arguable on whether or not it's even for kids.

Like that is a series that wants to be a serious streaming show for mature fans, but also sometimes acts like it's still a kids show, and the tones do not mesh well like they did in the 90s.

Timm's lost the sauce, if he ever had it. I'm a firm believer that maybe the success of BTAS is like how Buffy the Vampire the Slayer was great, and there were a lot of other people involved instead of the man most people associate the show with.
 
Timm's lost the sauce, if he ever had it. I'm a firm believer that maybe the success of BTAS is like how Buffy the Vampire the Slayer was great, and there were a lot of other people involved instead of the man most people associate the show with.
Nobody likes to discuss this in my circles, but all one needs is the BTAS coffee table book to see that it was a magical collision of talent, and he shouldn't be synonymous with the lone credit.

Even the original demo (the intro we love) was a marriage of two artists and two pitches told to figure it out.
 
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