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Getting back to the "How much money does Professor X have" discussion for a moment.

I just recently reread the first 325 issues of X-Men. From Lee and Kirby right up through Age of Apocalypse. That includes all the crossovers, annuals, minis and everything else. It was a lot, but it was fun.

Anyhoo, in issue 144 there was a scene where Charles asked Warren for financial help. The issue before Kitty was home alone and she got in a big fight with a demon on Christmas Eve. They wrecked a big part of the mansion, the danger room and the blackbird. The discussion with Charles and Warren went like this:

Warren: "Problems, Professor?"

Charles: "I've been totaling the reconstruction costs for the danger room, the hanger, the blackbird aircraft, the mansion itself ... they are considerable."

Warren: "If you need money, sir, all you have to do is ask."

Charles: "I appreciate that, Warren. Thank you."

Besides the Kitty fiasco, the X-Mansion got razed to the ground twice. Once in X-Men 154 by an alien race called the Sidri, and then again in X-Men 243 by Mr. Sinister as part of the Inferno storyline. That's twice the entire school had to rebuilt from the lower levels up. That kinda thing costs $$$$$$.

I did the same thing with Avengers a few years ago, as well. Every issue from number 1 by Lee and Kirby right up through the Jonathan Hickman days. Again, that included all the annuals, minis, crossovers, ect. Two things struck me about that. One, the Avengers have been pretty consistently great. There were a couple of short dry spells but overall it was a fantastic read. Two, the absolutely insane and staggering amount of property damage. No lie. The entire city of Washington D.C. got leveled twice. Once during the Kang Dynasty and then a few years later in the big Fear Itself crossover. The whole city gone. The White House, the Capital Building, the Washington Monument. I mean, I don't know how many times the Avengers would get in a big fight somewhere, whether it was a small town in Alaska or Oregon or wherever, or a large city somewhere, and the place would get destroyed. At the end of the story, someone would walk up to Iron Man and say something to the effect of "What are we going to do? Our homes are gone." Tony would just casually say "No problem. Just contact the Maria Stark foundation. They can help you." Now, as I'm about halfway through the run I'm thinking to myself "Just how fucking much money does the Maria Stark foundation have, anyway?"

The answer to that question came at the end of Avengers Disassembled. Avengers mansion got destroyed (AGAIN) and as they're standing in the rubble, Steve said to Tony "We're going to rebuild, right?" And Tony said "No." Steve said "No?" "There's no more money" Tony said. "The Maria Stark foundation is broke." Well, that didn't exactly shock me. Eventually the mansion did get rebuilt, but it's probably been knocked down a couple of more times since then.

Look, at the end of the day, we're just going to have to except the fact the the Marvel and DC Universes are fictional constructs. In those universes, there's such things as magic, alien technology, time travel, inter-dimensional travel and God knows what else. Gotham City was completely rebuilt after the events of No Man's Land. Coast City was rebuilt after the events of Emerald Twilight. If New York and Los Angeles were destroyed in the real world it would take decades to rebuild them assuming anyone had the financial means to do it.

Sometimes you just have to shut your minds off and try not to think about it. Go with the flow, as it were. Fans love their big superhero epics and that shows no signs of changing.
 
altcunningham said:
What's left for the year?

Feel like inhumans are going to beat Christmas.
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I expect the Gamerverse Fury / Punisher 2-pack to hit soon, like imminently. Then the Skurge BAF wave before Thanksgiving also.

Secret Wars Iceman, Inhumans 2-packs and 2nd mini-comic wave in December.

I think only the Spidey retro wave won't make the end of the year. They'll likely start hitting in January.
 
Reno said:
I expect the Gamerverse Fury / Punisher 2-pack to hit soon, like imminently. Then the Skurge BAF wave before Thanksgiving also.

Secret Wars Iceman, Inhumans 2-packs and 2nd mini-comic wave in December.

I think only the Spidey retro wave won't make the end of the year. They'll likely start hitting in January.
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Good shouts. I forgot about Skurge...

I'm in on almost all of that, so I better brace.
 
Resilient said:
any excuse to post this variant cover, it could even go with a hopefully being updated soon Heroic Age Thor!
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Man, I'm sitting on a spare Destroyer... custom time?
 
I don't think Hasbro thinks on terms of one-off or smaller teams. I suspect the team completer is very much not going to complete a bigger team to most collector's minds.
 
Schizm said:
With today's Marvel Sorcerer Supreme news, got me thinking it's time for a Magic wave! Right? Especially if it syncs up with Mephisto's release. :)

(If this should go in the Supernatural thread, please move.)

Strange - bc he's obviously going to be included - maybe a very modern look?
Modern Wanda - long overdue
Wiccan - comics
Speed - comics - they should come together
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BAF - Hulkling? Might as well. Or a new shade of Mindless One?...
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I'll play:
Scarlet Witch- Perez Avengers - 2nd run
Magik - Remake of Uncanny X-Men because that's when Strange taught her.
Loki - classic with sculpted details for the scales on his outfit
Wiccan - hasn't been made since Toybiz, yeah?
Morgan le Fay - Perez preferred, but classic is great too.
Pixie - Must have her soul dagger
Daimon Hellstrom - classic of course

BAF Gargoyle Isaac Christians
 
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Man, I'd LOVE Stegron. He's always felt like a figure that was just out of each for their assigned budget.

TFitz said:
I'll play:
Scarlet Witch- Perez Avengers - 2nd run
Magik - Remake of Uncanny X-Men because that's when Strange taught her.
Loki - classic with sculpted details for the scales on his outfit
Wiccan - hasn't been made since Toybiz, yeah?
Morgan le Fay - Perez preferred, but classic is great too.
Pixie - Must have her soul dagger
Daimon Hellstrom - classic of course

BAF Gargoyle Isaac Christians
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This set would be magnificent.
 
yojoebro82 said:
Miller's writing never did anything for me. He fit right in, though, with the kind of stories that were being told in the early 2000's, both companies trying to be "edgy".
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That was the aughts in a nutshell, IMO. I'm not sure if it was a direct result of 9/11 and our collective thirst for retribution, or what. Based on the late '90s, I feel like it was headed in that direction anyway. 9/11 served as an accelerant.

There's a dearth of quality art from that time period, and the great art that exists did everything it could to avoid the prevailing attitudes of the time. Mulholland Drive, Peter Jackson's Lord of the Rings, Brokeback Mountain, etc., all leaned away from the maximalism, exploitation, and nihilism that defined the era.
altcunningham said:
I like to think I am where I am and learned what I learned because those cartoons and comics gave me the leads and media literacy/critical thinking to explore them on my own terms.
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Not to derail this thread with masturbatory garbage, but it absolutely did. Or, something did, anyway. That was several pages of discussion about superheroes and popular entertainment viewed through a critical lens. There's real value in that when "Me likey Punisher cause he hurt the bad guys" is responsible for its fair share of today's problems.
 
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