Mattel DC Figures

I’m not a huge Todd guy, and frankly only have a few of his figures, but I will give him credit for a few things I think I have noticed just watching the line.

- he makes some shit I think you just won’t see from other companies. Tons of vehicles, weird characters with unique sculpts that can’t be reused (the joker dragon thing comes to mind) and the prices on those things are pretty reasonable. He made a lot of batmobiles that are like $100. I just don’t think you will see that from Mattel. I don’t any of them, and maybe the quality is bad… but look what hasbro does for its 1/12 scale cars. They’re like multiple hundred dollars.
- it seems there’s less reuse than say Marvel Legends.

There’s plenty of other issues with his stuff that I agree on, but I do think he deserves SOME credit
 
I’m not a huge Todd guy, and frankly only have a few of his figures, but I will give him credit for a few things I think I have noticed just watching the line.

- he makes some shit I think you just won’t see from other companies. Tons of vehicles, weird characters with unique sculpts that can’t be reused (the joker dragon thing comes to mind) and the prices on those things are pretty reasonable. He made a lot of batmobiles that are like $100. I just don’t think you will see that from Mattel. I don’t any of them, and maybe the quality is bad… but look what hasbro does for its 1/12 scale cars. They’re like multiple hundred dollars.
- it seems there’s less reuse than say Marvel Legends.

There’s plenty of other issues with his stuff that I agree on, but I do think he deserves SOME credit
Of course. Like I said earlier, there are some gems. A blind squirrel finds a nut every once in a while.

But let's look at the history.

Those first releases were the drizzling shits. Let's be honest.

Scale was all over the place (remember that first Batgirl?), and it didn't know what it wanted to be. It wasn't a DC Superheroes line, so much as a mish-mash of multimedia offerings from evergreen designs, to artist specific designs, to movie, to TV to video games. It was not cohesive.

Then there was the Bat-heavy Dark Metal period. Every release was that specific storyline that no one really ever got into. And again, characters thar should have been in the same style were seemingly done with different artists in mind, so there was zero cohesion there.

I know I'm not alone on the unnecessary and unneeded textures on every single character. Lots of line work and piping on seemingly evergreen characters.

Then we eventually found a groove, but the constant complaint: the articulation and scale. I don't know about you, but I fucking hate those ratchet joints, and again, I know I'm not alone. The long limbs and small heads, etc.

Now, in between, like I said, we got some beauties. And the line gave us things we likely would have never seen from another company. For that, we owe him his flowers. The Bat movie stuff is incredible. Again, things I would change (like them giving Penguin a friggin' normal left hand)...but overall, I think many of us just aren't that enamored with what he's doing.
 
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If Mattel does move back to a 6-inch line, I admit it’s going to have to be pretty good to make me dive in. I’m still so happy with the DCUC overall that they’re going to be tough to beat. And I don’t exactly relish the thought of starting all over again for as deep into the DCU as we got. But I am hoping for tons of Fourth World deep dives.

Either way-- if it scales well enough, the new line can supplement and upgrade what you already have! There's no real losing here.

remember that first Batgirl?

What's insane to me is that that Batgirl, despite being almost universally disliked, saw reuse until this year. I just don't get it!

It wasn't a DC Superheroes line, so much as a mish-mash of multimedia offerings from evergreen designs, to artist specific designs, to movie, to TV to video games. It was not cohesive.

I think jumping into multimedia isn't necessarily an issue as a whole. But it can be an issue when the line opens on giving us *a* Batman, and *a* Superman, and assorted things from other media, rather than going "Here's your definitive evergreen Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman figures, and a few oddballs and guys you've never seen, we'll have more your way soon. Welcome to the new line." I'd be cool with figures based on specific animated shows, games, and live action stuff if we had a sturdy start to the new line.

Any future artist-specific stuff needs to take notes from Mafex. Both their Marvel and DC figures are all very explicitly based on specific artists, and yet they all look really damn good together, in my opinion at least.. I know Mafex is sorta apples and oranges in comparison to a domestic line, but sculpting style and proportions shouldn't be the difference between 'em.

I know I'm not alone on the unnecessary and unneeded textures on every single character. Lots of line work and piping on seemingly evergreen characters.

The fabric texture on the Green Lantern releases were appealing to me, but I hated the texture on every single other figure release. So much hyperspecific detail that can not at ALL see reuse. If it were up to me, I'd universally sculpt logos, boot tops, gloves, belts, and anything that actually makes sense to sculpt or have as an overlay. The piping and textures can piss off. It was ugly in the comics, and it's even uglier in the toys.
 
Since he was the artist for the DC style guide back in the day, he literally defined the look I have in my mind's eye when I think of DC characters.
That’s completely fair and I totally get it. But 43 years is a lifetime. My opinion only is that maybe it’s time to move past the 1982 Style Guides. Maybe it’s even time for a new one by a new artist. An artist that is not Jim Lee.
 
All I know is that in 2019 when the news broke about Mattel losing most of the DC license, it was met with jubilation. The hated Mattel was finally done. When it came to light that the 7” scale would be used, there was more jubilation. At least on thefwoosh.
This is definitely inaccurate. There WAS jubilation, but there was just as much outrage at Todd going with 7". It was debated quite a bit, with the 7" guys being thrilled, and the 6" guys being pissed. Many of the 6" folks just accepted it eventually, and either got on board or decided to not collect the line. Personally, I have a nice 6" collection of DC characters, but I did like some of Todd's offerings so I cherry-picked a small, modest set of heroes and villains to display at my office. I doubt I'm typical of the majority of the collectors though. I think most have either gone all-in or completely dropped out.
Now Mattel is back. The 6” scale is the going assumption on most of the internet. Now I’m trying to figure out where everyone is. All the Mattel haters and 6” scale haters. They’ve all gone radio silent.
I think many of them didn't come over to AI...in fact I think we lost so many people in the many Fwoosh collapses that there aren't many of us left...just the die-hard folks who still want to interact with the community. It seems that we have a group here who is more sensible overall, and not as prone to hyperbolic overreactions. It seems, to me anyway, that the majority here aren't "haters" or "fanboys" either way. Most of us seem to be taking a sensible "wait-and-see" approach.
And for what it’s worth, I wasn’t for Todd or the 7”scale back then. I’m a full blown convert. All my problems with Mattel are in hindsight. I’m pretty sure I don’t have it in me to change scales again. The product is going to have to be spectacular, and heading into semi retirement, I’ll have to reassess finances assuming I don’t win the lottery.
I think many of us are in this boat. We are all feeling the pinch of this horrible economy, and none of us are getting younger. It's completely understandable, and even sensible, to consider using the end of a line as a stopping point. I know I've personally cut-back massively in the past couple years, to the point where I'm looking at each figure in the lines I collect and asking myself if it is "essential" or not.
My greatest fear is that it’s going to be boring. I don’t want to just get the usual suspects and I don’t want the DCU as seen by Jose Luis Garcia Lopez or even Dan Mora. Character selection needs to be wide and deep. Sculpts need to be interesting, not just technically well done. Vanilla is not OK. QC will have to be better, as will distribution.
There really isn't any way to know what it will be like until we see some product previews. Looking at some of Mattel's recent offerings in things like Masterverse, we can get some ideas, but even that isn't a strong indicator as we will likely see an entire different team on this line.
Still hoping for some sort of a carve out. Even if they can’t use the Multiverse terminology. Even if they can’t sell on the toy aisle. The 7” scale should survive in some form. Through DCD if nothing else.
Outside of NECA stuff, I don't do a whole lot of 7", but I DO hope that the scale is offered through something like DCD in the future. Mainly, I hope folks invested in that scale get what they want, as I generally want my fellow collectors to have access to stuff that makes them happy. The plus side for that is we 6" collectors can also periodically get an oversize character we can fudge into our displays. If Mattel does an undersized Doomsday or something, I like the idea of having an alternative available. It's a win-win for the collecting community, in my opinion.
Eh. I’ll take Todd over some faceless corporate tool. Being anonymous is the stepping stone to being unaccountable. If no one’s in charge then no one is responsible. At least in public. I really don’t see McFarlane as leader of some personality cult. And I’m certainly not a member. I just like the product and don’t wanna see it go away.
Todd is DEFINITELY a cult of personality. Just spend a little time interacting on his social media and you'll find folks lining up to lick his nutsack and attack anyone who dares to criticize anything he does. Even the simplest critiques, like his distribution, are met with outraged rants that treat you like you're some infidel who is taking a shit in the Holy Temple of Todd.

I got an incredibly different impression of the reaction to Mcfarlane's DC Multiverse for the first few years. It wasn't ever enthusiasm, it was always directly questioning Todd directly about the 7-inch scale, the lack of proper scale, the articulation, the ugly joints, the ugly sculpts, the side-eyes, the terrible character selection, the lack of female characters, etc. And Todd always responded with what boils down to "I feel like doing it this way."
Agreed. To be fair, Todd DID give in on some of those points, like the side-eye going away and the selection improving. Still, more often than not, he'd stick with his guns and tell the collectors to fuck off if they didn't like it.
 
I just want someone who won’t give Cheetah Knightfall Catwoman’s arms and legs with sculpted gloves and boots because they can’t afford to (or simply refuse to) tool a blank buck.

That’s it in a nutshell for me. I don’t care who makes the toys. Just don’t give us lazy customs, because even though they’re production quality lazy customs, they’re still lazy customs.
 
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