The Chatty Pointless Thread

[TheSameIdiot]

FUUUUUUUCK The Matrix.

You guys are fucking sending me today.

 

[Ru1977]

Actually being a goth causes a lot of bad-recommendation confusion. People tend to think all “dark” is the same.

It really, really, REALLY isn’t.

heh, I am sure. I know next to nothing about goth things so I would never even try to make suggestions.

You guys are fucking sending me today.

For the record, I enjoy the Matrix more than I enjoy Olivia Rodrigo. And the highway bit on the second one is cool, but I don't think I've ever rewatched any of them, and may have actively blocked out the third.

Spoiler

 

[DarthDre758]

@AceofKnaves coming in to the thread to tell people how dark he really ISN'T.

 

[DarthDre758]

That is a joke...for the record.

 

[AceofKnaves]

@AceofKnaves coming in to the thread to tell people how dark he really ISN'T.

Accurate, though, at least the image.
That’s literally how I dress daily. I have many better leather coats than that, though. Not as many as I have action figures . . . but same scale and scope, relative to the item.

You guys are fucking sending me today.

I’d hate it anyway, but also: if you’d spent twenty fucking years getting “hey Neo!!!!” catcalls EVERY FUCKING DAY, your opinion of the film might be different.


But jeeeeeezus, Neo is one of my least-favorite lead movie characters of ALL TIME. Keanu was a horrible actor back then, and this role may well be his absolute worst. And anything cool in those movies isn’t even “real”. Maybe if I had an interest in video games I might feel differently, but when I watch those movies I just go “ughh this is all just made-up edgelord bullshit, they aren’t even wearing those clothes or carrying those guns, THEY DON’T EVEN REALLY KNOW KUNG FU, only their video game avatars can do all that stuff”.

Sigh. The fashion is great, though: but I was wearing that shit years before that movie came out.

The good news: the “hey are you dressed like Blade?!?!” comments are finally outpacing “NEO!!!!!”. I would MUCH rather be compared to Blade, even though I dressed like that before Blade did.

 

[AceofKnaves]

Oh!

But I did absolutely love The Matrix . . . when it was a movie called Dark City.

 

[DarthDre758]

Hey Blade!

 

[AceofKnaves]

Hey Blade!

Blade 2 is a better film than 90% of the MCU, SonySpidey AND FoX-men, and I will absolutely die on that hill.

 

[Damien]

Buuuut when I think “banger”, it’s got to be a song I actually enjoy listening to.

I think I use it kind of interchangeably between 'I really like this song' and 'this song is super popular.'

Which is another hard part for me: I have a massive aversion to “popular” music, simply because it is popular. Unless I really REALLY like it.

I'm definitely a little difference in the sense that I legit just love music. I don't give a single fuck what anyone else thinks of any song or musician. I really do fold myself into the music and decide entirely on its own merits if -I- like it. My playlist on Spotify will make peoples' heads explode.

And no numetal I ever heard on the radio ever made me say “oooooh I want more of THIS!”

It can bite you anyway. My first Deftones song was 'Change' and I was like 'oh damn, this is pretty cool' and then I listened to an album and I was an unhappy boy.

That said: I was getting exposed to these bands on the radio/MTV, so I got their most front-facing stuff. I frequently get the “but if you only dove deeper . . .” line, but I’d have to *want* to.

I get that, but I also just am really averse to the idea of writing off an band's entire career and discography because you dislike one of their weakest songs (that just happens to be popular).

Oh ha ha ha yes THIS!

I remember buying a Cradle of Filth album in the mid 90s because it came highly recommended: “this is totally your thing!!”
It was NOT my thing, because Dani Filth is an affront to all stereophonic decency. No singing, no sale for me. I can take some “rock vocal” singing (Metallica was my favorite band when I was a young teen), but growling/shrieking/gurgling? Hell to the no. If I want big crazy metal, I’m throwing on Nightwish or Sabaton or basically anything with a *real* singer.

I love Cradle. I love Dani's vocal range (I thought the band had two singers the first time I heard them). I am 1000% into that type of music. And I also take a huge issue with saying that 'isn't singing.' That's gatekeepy as fuck. It's not singing that -you- like. It IS singing. And it's singing that a lot of people would not physically be able to do without hurting themselves. That style of metal vocals does not get nearly enough credit for the -technical skill- it requires to do, just because some people don't like the way it sounds.
But it's equivalent to saying the harmonica isn't a real instrument because you don't like hearing it.

That's another thing I find interesting about my music taste: rather than sinking into 'today's music isn't as good as what I grew up with', I actually get into new current groups constantly. And it went in both directions because I really got into more 70s stuff than I used to like, and even rediscovered some 90s stuff I used to sneer at in high school that I enjoy now.

Me too. I love discovering new music. Particularly in metal where I tend to find there's always someone new to discover that I will like. Some of my favorite more hardcore metal bands are ones I discovered as an adult, or who didn't even become bands until I was an adult. I can't imagine writing all that off, as some people do, because I didn't grow up listening to it.

Actually being a goth causes a lot of bad-recommendation confusion. People tend to think all “dark” is the same.

It really, really, REALLY isn’t.

Definitely agree with this. Even within metal, I get people recommending me a grindcore band because I listen to technical death metal. They are not even remotely the same and I fucking hate grindcore.

 

[DarthDre758]

Blade 2 is a better film than 90% of the MCU, SonySpidey AND FoX-men, and I will absolutely die on that hill.

 

[AceofKnaves]

And I also take a huge issue with saying that 'isn't singing.'

I hear you.
But I’m just gonna have to agree to disagree. It’s vocal performance, and indeed perhaps talented vocal performance, but it’s no more singing than rapping is singing. When I say I like singing, I mean simply that I like to hear singing, as opposed to things that aren’t singing.
But again: I hear you.

I get that, but I also just am really averse to the idea of writing off an band's entire career and discography because you dislike one of their weakest songs (that just happens to be popular).

eh, not so much writing them off as having no interest in pursuing their catalog. I get that lots of folks like them, and I might well find things to like too if I took the time. Buuuuut nothing made me WANT to.

That 10% is the color and black-and-white versions of Logan.

 

[Chooch555]

Tha Matrix Trilogy is the litmus test to see if you believe a bad ending ruins the entire experience.

 

[AceofKnaves]

Tha Matrix Trilogy is the litmus test to see if you believe a bad ending ruins the entire experience.

Nah, the first film was plenty wretched for me.

Actually the only scene I like is in the 3rd film, when actual people on actual earth fight those squid robots.

 

[Damien]

But I’m just gonna have to agree to disagree.

I don't think you can just 'agree to disagree' with inventing your own definitions of words, though. I definitely don't want to be overly combative about this, but as a metal fan this has been a grating experience for a good chunk of my life to hear someone say 'well, they're not really singing.' They are. They're singing. You don't have to like the style of singing, but to say that it's just NOT singing is offensive and ignorant.

 

[AceofKnaves]

I don't think you can just 'agree to disagree' with inventing your own definitions of words, though. I definitely don't want to be overly combative about this, but as a metal fan this has been a grating experience for a good chunk of my life to hear someone say 'well, they're not really singing.' They are. They're singing. You don't have to like the style of singing, but to say that it's just NOT singing is offensive and ignorant.

OK.

I’ll use a personal life anecdote as an example:

I do fight direction, which is using stage movement to tell a story. There are also dance choreographers, who also use stage movement to tell a story.
Both are valid and necessary.
But fight choreography is not dance choreography.
And dance choreography is not fight choreography.
You can put some of one in the other, certainly (hello West Side Story) but they are still two separate and distinct things. A fight director is not interchangeable with a dance choreographer, even though they both use stage movement to tell a story.
And some folks may just be like “well, I’ll watch choreographed fights all day long, but I have no interest in dance”. And some folks may be like “well I enjoy dance, but I absolutely do not want to see any kind of staged violence, no matter how talented the performers/creators.”

I’m guessing the feedback you have gotten has been “that’s not singing because it is *lesser* than singing”. I say “that’s not singing because it is a *different* method of using vocal performance to tell a story, just like rap, beat poetry, etc are also not singing but rather different methods of using vocal performance to tell a story.” Not less than (even if I don’t personally like it), just different.


Aaaaaaaand, as someone who has studied singing *and also* other forms of vocal production/performance very seriously all my life, it is hard to hear “all vocal performance associated with music is singing”. It diminishes both singing and also the valid and legitimate vocal performances that are separate and distinct things from singing.