What a lot of your response amounts to is "ignore the evidence of your eyes and ears and just trust me, bro." And that's worthless. With due respect, I don't know you. You're some dude online. We don't hang out together. We don't video chat every weekend and go for vacations together. Your personal condition is beyond my ken. Would you lie for the people you openly admit are good friends of yours? Maybe. Possibly? Probably? How can I know?
And thus - how can 'trust me, bro!' be even remotely moving? It isn't. It's sweeping. 'Let my buddies have another chance to screw everyone over and stop being mean to them for the shit they very obviously did.' It's a weak position. YOU can certainly give them all the latitude in the world. I wouldn't necessarily fault you, since they're your friends.
But you HAVE to recognize that you are, 100%, asking people to just ignore what they watched happen in real time because YOU actually have a bunch of super secret special information that, conveniently, none of us can have access to. You can see, from an outside perspective, how that reads. Right? So you have to respect that it's very unlikely anyone is going to be moved by that. If the Westovers are incapable of defending themselves against the stuff we watched happen -- fuck 'em. That's their problem and I am not obligated to extend to them endless grace on 'well, maybe I'm wrong because maybe a ton of information exists that no one but them, their lawyer, and their best buddy get to see.' That's an impossible ask.
Hell, even by your own admission the problem is 'they're just too stupid to run a business.' Which, I mean, fine. Sure. They're not scumbag, lying thieves - they're just idiots. Still not people I think anyone here should trust with their money. And, again, it's still just your word.
It's patently absurd to suggest I want them 'begging.' Fuck dude, they've never even APOLOGIZED so far as I can tell. They've never offered any real explanation at all. Because... lawyers.. I guess. Right? What they did was fuck off with money that wasn't theirs, and then start a new company and say 'buy our stuff.' That's not contrition. It's entitlement and vanity. Your friends are assholes, at best, if they think that's the appropriate response after all the stuff that went down.
But it's ridiculous to say 'nothing will be good enough' when nothing is precisely what they've tried so far.
And if you think I've never called anyone at other companies pieces of shit, then you are either a liar like your friends, or haven't been paying attention. I literally call out companies for their shit practices -all the fucking time-. It's like.. my whole thing. Pretty sure if I stopped doing it people would think my account was hacked.
I have asked you numerous times to stop dissing them in my presence.
I don't care. But before you get upset about that statement, I want you to genuinely take some deep breaths and read that quote above again. Read it as if you aren't the one that wrote it. Don't diss them -in your presence-? Who the fuck do you think you are? This is a public forum. We gotta put out a press release that no one can be mean about Rick's buddies? You think your mere existence on this site means I am somehow obligated to censor myself to appease you?
Do you get how that sentence is very problematic? Maybe even kind of wildly arrogant?
But you God damn well know if the shoe were on the other foot-- where I would have this opinion of YOUR good friends, and I ripped on them, called them everything but their God given names, you would lose your shit.
Okay? What does that have to do with anything? Let's assume it's true. Do you think you -haven't- lost your shit here about this? The difference isn't about 'losing one's shit.' It's about A) the expectation that others have to kowtow to you just because you're losing your shit, and B) that you think you should be allowed to basically call me a liar, but that if I respond to that accusation, I'm being unreasonable?
Remember, you started it this time. You could have just said 'this is a cool toy and I like it.' You could have responded to that post by saying 'it takes several days sometimes for them to process, but I wouldn't worry that you won't get your order.'
You CHOSE to bring up their reputation and refute it just by saying 'those other people don't know what they're talking about.' You made that choice. Let's remember that my last post in this thread prior to that had been at the end of November. You made that comment last Wednesday, if I'm not mistaken. In that entire time I didn't say shit about them. You made it a thing again. You can chose not to do that and focus on the toys. If you insist on defending them out of thin air like that, I am entitled to respond.
Or, to use your language against you for effect and so you'll understand my point: Don't defend these fucking people in my presence.
Again, as I started this with, none of this is being said in anger. I'm not mad. I'm not trying to piss you off. But if this is going to be a thing, I want you to fully understand my perspective on this and where I stand. Because respect goes -both- ways.
