Generative AI

Chooch555 said:
Sitting here as my wife scrolls through Netflix Christmas movies. I think AI's been making those for decades.
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In all seriousness, they are absolutely being written by AI right NOW, but for a solid 20 years they have, I'm not exaggerating, a point by point formula for them. For a human writer it's actually not a bad gig! It keeps writers, crew, and d-list cast members working during the off-season when mainstream shows aren't filming. They're fucking awful but they're basically the movie version of a Dunkin' iced coffee. Sure it's shit but you know what you're getting into every time. Nobody turns on a Hallmark movie and expects Shakespeare. They expect a big city girl leaving her high paying job to raise reindeer with the lumberjack she loved in high school or something.

(EDIT: My old sound engineer guys would survive the off season by either doing Hallmark movies or porn. The latter pays shockingly well for not very difficult work, apparently.)
 
Red Ogre said:
Did they have to buy their own PPE or was that supplied by the producers?
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Not to derail the conversation, but one audio engineer once told me you never think about sex the same way after you've had to hear other people squelching through a boom mic and...
Red Ogre said:
I appreciate your willingness to ask the questions I haven't thought of yet. The best case scenarios are benign, the worst case scenarios are dystopian, and it's a steep slide from one to the other.
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Agreed. And you really do point out the dichotomy well here - best case is benign, worst case dystopian. Talking with a security expert about it last year and the thing that stuck with me was "if they'd built all this tech ethically, I'd use it in a heartbeat, but none of them have, and now we can't trust them to ever to the right thing." There was a sense of loss there because minus the greed, they could have made the world better with it all.

BTW, I'm not against all AI - I interviewed a guy who had developed a machine learning algorithm that identified cancer indications in imaging too small for the human eye to detect, so it's like a robot hanging over your doctor's shoulder going "hey, look at THAT, you might want to zoom in." Like, miracle stuff. That's the AI we should be giving all our money to. It actually breaks my heart that we could have all this life-changing technology but instead they decided to like, rip off DeviantArt users and Kindle books.
 
docsilence said:
if they'd built all this tech ethically, I'd use it in a heartbeat
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I was just having this exact same conversation with the missus. I'm dazzled by the things you can do with art and video using AI, but I'm uncomfortable with how they just took artists works without permission to train them to do it.
 
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Chooch555 said:
Sitting here as my wife scrolls through Netflix Christmas movies. I think AI's been making those for decades.
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Quick, guess the Netflix Christmas movie: Materialistic starlet bumps her head and looses her memory at a snowy resort. The handsome owner is a kind-hearted widower learning to love again. His daughter sets them up. They find romance while saving the resort from going out of business. The lady gets her memory back, dumps the douche she was engaged to pre-amnesia (who immediately rebounds by asking his gay-comedic-relief male underling on a date) and rushes into the arms of the handsome widower.

You have to let the wives have this stuff. They know it's not Withering Heights just like I know Mighty Morphin Power Rangers isn't Lord of the Rings.
 
Fletch said:
I was just having this exact same conversation with the missus. I'm dazzled by the things you can do with art and video using AI, but I'm uncomfortable with how they just took artists works without permission to train them to do it.
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Honestly, if they’d done it legally and above board, there would be tons of pushback but it would be less vitriolic. But they built these things on stolen labor. One security consultant I worked with said his contacts at Microsoft refused to offer any evidence that they weren’t using not just art and writing but proprietary code etc they did not have permission to replicate. He found code he’d written himself for another client show up in a project he was using to test OpenAI’s efficacy and was like: welp, this is going to get everyone sued.

And yeah, voice and even faces are not going to work in court anymore. It’s become insanely easy to fabricate evidence and we’ve seen how easy it is to trick people with it. And saying this makes me sound like a conspiracy theorist!

We needed regulatory guardrails in 2022 but Congress still barely understands AOL.
 
docsilence said:
AI execs are so blinded by ambition they aren’t listening to the customers:
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I feel like this is the undercurrent of a lot of corporatism these days. They no longer even think of the customers as an entity they need to serve. They are petty kings and they believe we will take what they give us. For the worst of them even that's not enough, they want us to thank them for the slop.
 
docsilence said:
We needed regulatory guardrails in 2022 but Congress still barely understands AOL.
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I hate to sound like one of those "You can't trust the guburnmint" guys, but 80% of our problems can be traced back to the fact that Congress does not work. FWIW, I think only half of it is because they're lazy and don't care. The rest of it is systemic flaws in the Constitution and loopholes that create more gridlock.
 
TheSameIdiot said:
FWIW, I think only half of it is because they're lazy and don't care. The rest of it is systemic flaws in the Constitution and loopholes that create more gridlock.
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A big BIG portion of it can be traced directly back to guys like Newt Gingrich who actively altered the working playbook to remove compromise from the process (and even more of it spun out of Reagan, double fuck that guy forever into the sun).
 
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