General Marvel Legends

[AceofKnaves]

Yikes indeed.

They were “older” at the time, but I remember trying not to let the mouth-vomit drip out when Joss Whedon had Piotr “make” Kitty phase through the bedroom floor because . . . you know.

 

[Reno]

We definitely still need Armor! She's a top 5 want for me, personally. I'd really like to see the Hasbro team figure this out.

I'm staying far away from the Kitty romantic entanglements as a teenager discussion. I realize it was a different time, but ick.

 

[TFitz]

We definitely still need Armor! She's a top 5 want for me, personally. I'd really like to see the Hasbro team figure this out.

I'm staying far away from the Kitty romantic entanglements as a teenager discussion. I realize it was a different time, but ick.

She needs to be MTO. Large armor where she can fit in the torso and it has limited articulation, and then an arm cover or 2 so she can punch using the armor as somtimes she just forms it over a part of her body.

 

[fac]

I know you've made peace with it, but I still wish (and might do it myself) that the engine was at least a darker red, like the tires. That's a pretty big chunk of plastic to be so monochromatic even if it is detailed.

I agree, the reds could be different, or as suggested have some sort of deeper red wash on some parts.

 

[JakeEkiss]

She needs to be MTO. Large armor where she can fit in the torso and it has limited articulation, and then an arm cover or 2 so she can punch using the armor as somtimes she just forms it over a part of her body.

Agree that Armor is best served by the MTO option. I still think getting the engineering in a good place everyone will be happy with could be an issue, but I'd love to see the ML team tackle it. The next question would be what version of her armor they use. I'm a weirdo, but I'm partial to how it looked in the anime X-Men mini series from a while back. That series was not especially good, but Armor was great in it.

 

[hmmberto]

Yikes indeed.

They were “older” at the time, but I remember trying not to let the mouth-vomit drip out when Joss Whedon had Piotr “make” Kitty phase through the bedroom floor because . . . you know.

Was that a flashback scene, or contemporary to the rest of Astonishing X-Men (like, after Colossus was resurrected)? If contemporary, they weren't "older" - they were just full-on adults, and had been for years and years in comic time. I don't see a problem.

If you meant because it's always a little icky when comic writers try to write sex scenes, and maybe even moreso when it's Joss Whedon, then - OH yeah, I agree with you there.

 

[AceofKnaves]

If you meant because it's always a little icky when comic writers try to write sex scenes, and maybe even moreso when it's Joss Whedon, then - OH yeah, I agree with you there.

This, and no “maybe” about it.

 

[TheSameIdiot]

I'm a strong proponent of sex scenes across media.

Unfortunately, Whedon's Kitty/Piotr scene fell into his usual trappings.

Was that a flashback scene, or contemporary to the rest of Astonishing X-Men (like, after Colossus was resurrected)? If contemporary, they weren't "older" - they were just full-on adults, and had been for years and years in comic time. I don't see a problem.

I agree that it's different, but you're always walking a fine line when you get with someone who had a thing for you when they were a child.

It's not automatically problematic, but I do make a mental note.

 

[CTV]

It's probably worth it to mention they didn't actually get together until Kitty had finished college, in-universe, so their actual relationship age gap is ~22 with ~27.

 

[hmmberto]

I'm a strong proponent of sex scenes across media.

Unfortunately, Whedon's Kitty/Piotr scene fell into his usual trappings.

I agree that it's different, but you're always walking a fine line when you get with someone who had a thing for you when they were a child.

It's not automatically problematic, but I do make a mental note.

It's so hard to pin down ages in comics. In my head Kitty and Peter are at least in their 30s in Astonishing, but I have no idea.

I wasn't really aware of their age gap back in the day - I thought of Peter as 15/16 when he joined the X-Men, and Kitty only 1 or 2 years younger. To me they were both essentially child soldiers of similar ages, and it made sense for them to have a thing for each other. It looks like the age gap was actually 19/13, which - yeah, no way. Jim Shooter apparently felt similarly and (apparently) mandated that they break things off.

Come to think of it, what was the age gap between Kitty and Pete Wisdom?

 

[hmmberto]

It's probably worth it to mention they didn't actually get together until Kitty had finished college, in-universe, so their actual relationship age gap is ~22 with ~27.

When did they actually have a romantic relationship and/or become a couple for the first time?

 

[Ru1977]

Didn't he cheat on her in Secret Wars?

 

[CTV]

When did they actually have a romantic relationship and/or become a couple for the first time?

Their sexual relationship starts in Whedon's run.

 

[AceofKnaves]

Didn't he cheat on her in Secret Wars?

Yes, and so did Johnny Storm, on his own girlfriend . . .

With the same alien girl. Who has (sexy?) healing powers.

Six year old me thought Marvel heroes were *scandalous*!

 

[altcunningham]

yeah, i mean, Piotr was at least 18, and Kitty famously had like a 13th birthday party?! so it's uh...yikes.

also Kitty is often written and drawn to be enamored with women, lol

Is this not the same Kitty to Yana age gap if you remove Limbo time shit.

Also she crushed on him, would always fall on him, even kissed him over mistletoe she set up. I always recall him being respectful and keeping distance until Astonishing.