Boss Fight Studios 1/12 and EPIC HACKS

Norm is right. It's already $60 for the "basic" figure. I can't see the accessory pack being less than $30 and I feel like it's going to be closer to $40.

Whatever, I haven't preordered HB yet and it's very likely I never will and will just be happy with what I already have.

The note on different styles and sizes is slightly interesting.
 
AdamBomb said:
So is selling this separately the result of the voodoo math for the figure production cost, or just the urge to double dip?
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My guess is that the coat is 90% of the cost of that accessory pack, and they couldn't cost out putting it with the figure AND having the figure be under the MSRP they wanted to hit. The most logical thing to do is take out the expensive secondary piece, put it in a pack with a few less-expensive-to-produce accessories. Now customers can still get the entire set, but you can also still accurately claim you're selling Hellboy for under X dollars.
 
Ooof. The basic Hellboy figure already seemed a bit expensive. And now the coat is costing more. This is creeping up to 1000toys level, although not quite there yet. But still...it's like a glancing blow to the nuts. Which can sometimes feel worse.
 
I really like the look of that pack, but yeah...I'm already dropping more than I want to just to have Red and Lobster in my collection. Unless it's REALLY reasonable (and this is the modern Boss Fight...we know it won't be), then I think I'll likely be skipping it altogether and just sticking with the figures themselves.
 
I plugged "Hellboy" into the BBTS search to see how the accessory pack fist differed from what was solicited with the figure, and the 1000toys version came up first. Between the price, articulation, and the owner's shady business history, this might be a cancel for me. RHOD aside, the 1000toys version looks better.
 
docsilence said:
Neil was on my list of like, five men I was like "PLEASE DON'T LET ME DOWN." I don't think I have anybody left on that list. Not that they all let me down, but there were so few I just don't want to admire anyone anymore. I'll never go back to Neil, but that's because it felt like a personal affront.

My line for consuming their work is if they're still a) actively making money off it and b) still actively bad people. There's a few writers who were outed as sleazy, disappeared, might write a TV episode or a novella once in a while and basically owned their banishment and went away. I don't hold them nearly in the contempt of folks who try to brush things off. And then you've got Joann who just invents new ways to be shitty every day. I think of how James Gunn got called out for some shitty statements from 18 years ago - you can become better over time if you say harmful things. Nobody's perfect, but you can choose to double down or be better.

Meanwhile, Lovecraft was a garbage human, but he's dead and his work is in the public domain. I'll still read his stuff sometimes because there's no ongoing harm.

I don't think humans are all irredeemable but it's the ones who tell you what they are and continue to do harm that I write off completely.

I reckon there's a lot of dead men who created characters in toy lines I love I wouldn't respect if they were still kicking, but they've shuffled off this mortal coil, so enjoying their work feels less dirty to me.
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The problem is that we don't have sufficient repercussions for bad behavior among the powerful nor any protections or recompense for the powerless. There's no institutions with will and authority to bring the powerful to account through channels outside of their power. Lacking such FAFO mechanisms under capitalism - a system that definitionally rewards exploitation - virtually assures that the worst actors rise to the top. I'm a scientist and have had my best, most impactful work stolen by big names in my field. And why wouldn't that be the case? There is obvious advantage to cheating and no career detriment for cheating such that cheaters win and must win. It is unsurprising to me when prominent people in a field are outed as abusive or labor stealers or worse. This is what we select for.
 
bat said:
The problem is that we don't have sufficient repercussions for bad behavior among the powerful nor any protections or recompense for the powerless. There's no institutions with will and authority to bring the powerful to account through channels outside of their power. Lacking such FAFO mechanisms under capitalism - a system that definitionally rewards exploitation - virtually assures that the worst actors rise to the top. I'm a scientist and have had my best, most impactful work stolen by big names in my field. And why wouldn't that be the case? There is obvious advantage to cheating and no career detriment for cheating such that cheaters win and must win. It is unsurprising to me when prominent people in a field are outed as abusive or labor stealers or worse. This is what we select for.
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I would offer the minor correction that we don't have sufficient repercussions for bad behaviour among -anyone-. At seemingly every social level, people do shitty things and act in shitty ways without any meaningful negative results. Sure, at the lowest level maybe you can punch someone in the face for acting like a twat. But the kind of people that deserve it generally operate on the knowledge that 99.9% of people -won't- do that.
 
Damien said:
I would offer the minor correction that we don't have sufficient repercussions for bad behaviour among -anyone-. At seemingly every social level, people do shitty things and act in shitty ways without any meaningful negative results. Sure, at the lowest level maybe you can punch someone in the face for acting like a twat. But the kind of people that deserve it generally operate on the knowledge that 99.9% of people -won't- do that.
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What I'm speaking to is the discrepancy between the nothing that happens when the powerful steal from or degrade the powerless vs the myriad mechanisms the powerful can wield against the powerless if they wish. With specific regard to BFS, it seems the original visionaries were pushed out by a boss who envisioned nothing but his own personal advancement. I can relate as can many I suppose because generally those who have the power to stand atop a platform and scream into their megaphone "I BUILT THAT" ... didn't.
 
bat said:
What I'm speaking to is the discrepancy between the nothing that happens when the powerful steal from or degrade the powerless vs the myriad mechanisms the powerful can wield against the powerless if they wish. With specific regard to BFS, it seems the original visionaries were pushed out by a boss who envisioned nothing but his own personal advancement. I can relate as can many I suppose because generally those who have the power to stand atop a platform and scream into their megaphone "I BUILT THAT" ... didn't.
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I get ya'. I suppose I was adding the addendum of 'the powerless also can't really do anything to the other powerless, so everyone is incentivized to be terrible to each other.'

And yeah, I think the best short explanation is one of the BFS partners is a greedy scumbag and decided now that the entire thing has been built - more often than not by the other partners - he had every right to just use some trust fund money to force out the others and make sure he's getting the biggest piece of the pie. Dickhead.
 
My understanding of the boss fight scenario is even dirtier, because it wasn't just punching down, right - one partner maneuvered behind other partners' backs to take control, unilateraly buy them out and then give them the bum's rush out the door. It wasn't just a shitty boss punching down at employees. It was a shitty partner leveraging the situation to take control and oust the others. Which of course is a classic stereotype in boardrooms throughout capitalism.
 
PantherCult said:
My understanding of the boss fight scenario is even dirtier, because it wasn't just punching down, right - one partner maneuvered behind other partners' backs to take control, unilateraly buy them out and then give them the bum's rush out the door. It wasn't just a shitty boss punching down at employees. It was a shitty partner leveraging the situation to take control and oust the others. Which of course is a classic stereotype in boardrooms throughout capitalism.
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You forgot the part where, after going behind their backs and taking over the company, Andrew pretended everything was cool and that the other partners would remain taken care of as employees, used their trust to bring himself up to speed on all their current projects, and then fired them without warning.

He's a piece of shit.
 
It isn't even the RHoD that I disliked about the 1000Toys version that made me sell it to a Fwoosher without even opening the shipping package it came in, lol - it was the fucking rubber torso. 😏
 
For all in - $80 ( excludes tariff at BBTS )
3 heads ( closed mouth , gritted teeth and horned/open mouth)
3 RHOD hands ( open, holding and fist)
1 left fist
The hand of glory
Trenchcoat
Gun

vs the recent 30th anniversary 1000toys at $154.99 BBTS

3 left hands
1 swappable head, gritted teeeth and swappable horns/ stumps
Shirt
Sword
Trenchcoat

Not a good deal by any means but thankfully not as painful as I was expecting.
He is crazy tall. I prefer the stockier, Etrigan-esque early look. Ah well. He's easy to plug into any display.
I wonder if the horns on the BF would be swappable also. That would be neat.
 
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