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@Fletch I agree, the idea of it is solid. And Welcome To Derry, which I've barely watched yet, seems to be doing something similar but with more subtlety. Burroughs maybe, also Robert E Howard maybe? If I had my druthers, The Old Man would have led into more shows or even a shared universe based on the books by Thomas Perry. Jane Whitefield is one of my favorite fictional characters of all time and NEEDS a series. Sprinkle in other Perry characters, even The Butcher's Boy, and I'll likely expel so many bodily fluids.
 
Damien said:
I think I'm just tired of movie people deciding that history needs to be boring and drab to look at. Like.. why?
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I haven't been able to find the quotes again, but at some point Palin or Cleese from Monty Python talked about how people would come up and talk about how realistic they made the Middle Ages look in Holy Grail and they found that funny as they knew they made it look excessively drab and muddy and terrible for the "peasants" as part of a joke.

Its like how often the interior of the castles are bare grey stone and floors, when likely the living quarters were whitewashed/plastered with tapestries and murals and rugs and so on and was probably quite bright and colorful.
 
fac said:
I haven't been able to find the quotes again, but at some point Palin or Cleese from Monty Python talked about how people would come up and talk about how realistic they made the Middle Ages look in Holy Grail and they found that funny as they knew they made it look excessively drab and muddy and terrible for the "peasants" as part of a joke.

Its like how often the interior of the castles are bare grey stone and floors, when likely the living quarters were whitewashed/plastered with tapestries and murals and rugs and so on and was probably quite bright and colorful.
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I've actually heard people, in my really real life, say that Holy Grail 'got so much right for a comedy.' Like.. my god.
And I've never been able to get an answer to why people think of history this way. Is it really just the epitome of arrogance in thinking that only we, modern people, are intellectually and emotionally advanced enough to like and be able to create things like... colors? I don't get it.
 
Damien said:
I've actually heard people, in my really real life, say that Holy Grail 'got so much right for a comedy.' Like.. my god.
And I've never been able to get an answer to why people think of history this way. Is it really just the epitome of arrogance in thinking that only we, modern people, are intellectually and emotionally advanced enough to like and be able to create things like... colors? I don't get it.
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I think its because when people visit castles or cathedrals or other ancient stone structures now, what they see is bare stone and maybe some greyed/discolored/faded tapestries. Oftentimes no one actually shows or describes what it looked like - its is kind of a failing of the tour guides/curators. I have seen more of it recently with places having CGI models of what a place likely looked like in its heyday, which really helps. Kind of how people don't get that the stone steps weren't always worn down and concaved in, or how the stone work was probably seamless but has been eroded a bit over 1,000 years.
 
I fanboyed like heck for Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves (despite Costner sucking a sewer pipe as Robin) and I had a “making of” book that outright said that the designers knew that Nottingham Castle would have been painted white and not remotely creepy nor foreboding, and deliberately ignored historical accuracy for purposes of “style”. Twelve year old me was kinda pissed when I read that.
Likewise it’s hilarious when horror movies make Transylvania look all barren and spooky when the name literally means “the land beyond the forest” and it is one of the most lush and beautiful places on earth.
 
fac said:
I think its because when people visit castles or cathedrals or other ancient stone structures now, what they see is bare stone and maybe some greyed/discolored/faded tapestries. Oftentimes no one actually shows or describes what it looked like - its is kind of a failing of the tour guides/curators. I have seen more of it recently with places having CGI models of what a place likely looked like in its heyday, which really helps. Kind of how people don't get that the stone steps weren't always worn down and concaved in, or how the stone work was probably seamless but has been eroded a bit over 1,000 years.
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Oh yeah, I understand the castles/houses problem more than the direct material culture problem. To me it's still a massive leap to go from 'I guess Castles were all grey stone' to 'regular people before 1830 only wore brown, didn't own jewelry, didn't care about and couldn't make anything with color, and only ate gruel.' It's just this incredibly strange 'othering' of the past. And it seems that it's a perspective that exists, probably subconsciously most of the time, to elevate modern people as being 'above and better than' our ancestors. I wish more people were open to viewing historical human beings as .... human beings.
 
AceofKnaves said:
I fanboyed like heck for Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves (despite Costner sucking a sewer pipe as Robin)
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Short aside: I just watched The Untouchables for the first time (bad movie). It was my first time watching Costner as an adult. Dude has no rizz whatsoever.

I can watch basically every leading man in history and say, "Yeah, I see it." Even Nic Cage. Costner? What did audiences like about the guy?
 
Two good Costner films - A Perfect World, No Way Out (Edited to add - Field of Dreams)

Haven't watch the Untouchables in a long time but thought it had some pretty memorable moments...
 
TheSameIdiot said:
I just watched The Untouchables for the first time (bad movie).
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I, uh, don’t know what to say to that, since it’s the best gangster film of all time . . .

(I know, you’re gonna say Goodfellas instead, and I forgive you)

TheSameIdiot said:
Dude has no rizz whatsoever.
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He definitely does not. It’s hilarious to watch “the sexiest man alive” (he was! they said so!) absolutely non-act in every role he plays. He’s runny mayonnaise in human form.
 
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We watched Goodfellas in high school when my film buff buddy convinced our teacher he could take a few classes off by rolling it. The principal stopped by while they were stabbing.
 
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