Harvinger Studios, Savage Crucible

docsilence said:
I reckon people who misuse runes and misuse kanji are basically the same picture, Office-meme style.
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Basically. To be entirely fair -- I really do think it comes from a place of being peripherally interested most of the time. You think runes are 'cool' (or kanji), then you see or hear someone say 'this shape means this concept' and you just absorb it as correct because why would someone just say a thing that is wrong as if it's factual, when it's something so trivial and unimportant?
And that's how you end up with basically everyone I've ever spoken to about runes confidently having no clue what they're talking about while doing a lot of talking.
 
Damien said:
I was just catching a bit of the SC livestream and caught something not directly toy related that irks me a lot. It doesn't MATTER, but it's a personal bugbear of mine so like... who cares, but also I do so it's in the tags.


Bear in mind, this is not an attack on anyone.

One of the guys holds up a treasure piece from the new blind packs with an Elder Futhark rune on it and confidently says it's the 'rune for wealth.' It really bugs me when people speak confidently about this stuff because the result is the slow spread of misinformation. Not to say it's a purposeful thing. Elder Futhark is confusing and VERY old - to the point where it's the stuff of actual linguists to even try to suss it out. But it's absolutely not so simple as some kind of logographic language where 'this rune MEANS this concept.' Runes were specifically used to engrave short inscriptions in stone or metal (and probably wood).

If you wanted to write 'wealth' - you would SPELL out wealth using runes in the runic language according to the sounds the runes stood for. Because runes (both Elder and Younger Futhark) are -an alphabet-.

Saying the 'F' looking Elder Futhark rune 'means wealth' is a misunderstanding of how we interpret and -name- runes (emphasis on 'we'), mostly based on comparing them to Proto-Germanic, NOT based on what we can be certain people using them would have called them. And to clarify why it's so muddled in uncertainty - bear in mind that Elder Futhark predates the Viking period by hundreds of years. The people we tend to unilaterally call 'Vikings' would have used Younger Futhark and probably wouldn't have even been able to read Elder Futhark with total accuracy.

In short, the 'F' rune does not mean 'wealth' and people should stop saying it just because they heard it from someone -else-, who also said it way too confidently.
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I absolutely loathe being corrected, which is why I put so much effort in to being right from the start. I hold on to 30-year old shame because I was wrong about the taurine in Red Bull coming from bull semen.
Strap a rocket to your pedantry, because I'll ride it to the moon if it means I'm more informed.
 
Red Ogre said:
I absolutely loathe being corrected, which is why I put so much effort in to being right from the start. I hold on to 30-year old shame because I was wrong about the taurine in Red Bull coming from bull semen.
Strap a rocket to your pedantry, because I'll ride it to the moon if it means I'm more informed.
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Damien said:
And that's how you end up with basically everyone I've ever spoken to about runes confidently having no clue what they're talking about while doing a lot of talking.
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Definitely gonna make a Rune Fighter when I can to raise your blood pressure.
 
Dek said:
Anybody else notice that Frazetta is advertised as a subline of Harvinger and not as part of Savage Crucible in this photo? Purposeful?
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I don't think it's relevant beyond trademarks and licensing rights and shit. Boss Fight did the same thing by rebranding their licensed characters under 'HERO HACKS' rather than just regular 'HACKS.'
 
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Maybe. They do wan to start putting out 2 - 3 Frazetta figures a year. It makes sense to rebrand Warrior WBAC and Death Dealer and his Horse now and get ahead to drive collectablilty which we know the owner likes, he feels it builds community. I can't say he's wrong, i don't see all the community engagement that Harvinger would. He would know if this supposed sub-line of my speculation is something they aren't ready to announce but do want to tease.

But this is all supposition and intentional reading into things on my part. I'm making the clues fit my narrative instead of letting the clues create a narrative. I'm basically fantasy booking an indie-toy company's marketing strategy.
 
It's possible that it's not considered a legitimate sub-line so much as it is specified branding for clarity. I.E. "This is not a Savage Crucible property." Something that you put on the box but don't really make a big deal about because otherwise it doesn't actually make any difference to anyone.
 
I've always been under the impression that they treat the Frazetta figures as an unofficial sub-line that blends with the Savage Crucible line. I feel like I remember them mentioning something like that in one of their earlier live streams when they were talking about Ball & Chain Warrior packaging concepts while wave 2 was still in production.
 
I hope Harvinger is aware how this uncertainty about a Frazetta sub-line is tearing these forums apart; turning friends into enemies, proud men into cowards, and collectors into paupers. Only 4H can win if this continues! Damn you Harvinger! Damn you and your love of Frazetta and Damn your need to make awesome figure of his characters!
 
Messing around with the Frazetta warrior last night and realizing I would, foolishly, rebuy all of my actual Frazetta figures in Savage Crucible if they decided to make Fire and Ice, etc. These figures are just so goddamned DURABLE. I'm tired of figures I worry will break like glass, no matter how good they look.

Although truly, the armor on Savage Crucible figures is pointy AF. My hands were hacked up from some house repairs earlier this week and Ko'Mo drew blood when I stabbed myself with him. :D
 
docsilence said:
I was setting him up in a pose last weekend and like "dude, my HANDS hurt!" It's hilarious. I would use Nin a weapon during a house breakin.
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And he'd probably survive it (the toy, not the person) unlike an Icons or whatever figure.


docsilence said:
I'm tired of figures I worry will break like glass, no matter how good they look.
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I'm so glad I noped out of the various Eamon Conans. I -almost- bit a few different times, but the more I looked at them, the more I actually just found that I didn't even LIKE them. The faces, some of the articulation or way the articulation is integrated... I just don't think they're all that great. Definitely not for the ludicrous asking prices.
Then to find out that people also feel like they're a little iffy on durability and man, dodged a bullet.
 
Damien said:
And he'd probably survive it (the toy, not the person) unlike an Icons or whatever figure.



I'm so glad I noped out of the various Eamon Conans. I -almost- bit a few different times, but the more I looked at them, the more I actually just found that I didn't even LIKE them. The faces, some of the articulation or way the articulation is integrated... I just don't think they're all that great. Definitely not for the ludicrous asking prices.
Then to find out that people also feel like they're a little iffy on durability and man, dodged a bullet.
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I've got Conan and the Norseman and they are solid. No worries about breakage. They feel as good in hand as a Mythic Legion or Savage Crucible figure. Teegra I think was a bit different in construction. Conan and Norsemen has fallen to the ground multiple times (because of the way I posed them, not because of balance issues inherent in the figure.)

They also have different priorities. Less articulation for better aesthetic. I can respect that design philosophy, not everything needs to be super articulated. Conan and Norseman are solid recommends.
 
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