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Stoopid_Sandwich said:
That was just John Romita Jr’s art at the time. Even his Spider-man was a brick shithouse in the mid 90’s.
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I think i made this original image for The Ben Reilly Tribute :) its one of my favorites. Romita is all over the place with his Spidey art but the Ben days were special. He made that costume pop.
 
Stoopid_Sandwich said:
True but it’s kind of hard to make either sets of claws convincing if you change their shape and characteristics. If you make the adamantium blades thicker they come across looking like pikes instead of claws or having a blade like structure. If you make the bone claws thinner then they wouldn’t have the structural integrity to puncture anything and they would needlessly break every time they so much as attempted to pierce Wolverine’s flesh, along with all of that muscle. It’s a no win situation no matter whichever way you look at it.


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It’s an easy win. Just don’t say he always had them. If they absolutely had to give him bone claws, then say it was his healing factor’s reaction to having the adamantium ripped out of him. It doesn’t make any less sense than what they went with.
 
MagnusPrimal said:
It’s an easy win. Just don’t say he always had them. If they absolutely had to give him bone claws, then say it was his healing factor’s reaction to having the adamantium ripped out of him. It doesn’t make any less sense than what they went with.
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Not to take the wind out of your sales but it’s a little late for our generation to lodge a formal complaint over Wolverine’s bone claws when the story occurred between 1993-2001. I mean for Pete’s sake the people who wrote these stories have grandchildren now. Also the man who pitched that idea, Peter David passed away recently. Can we at least let bygones be bygones? Has enough time passed where we can say this is water under the bridge and respect the history?


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I like Wolverine's bone claws, regardless of how admittedly stupid it actually is. Some fun stories came from that, and it often looks cool. Bone Claws Water Wars Wolverine was my favorite toy for a chunk of time in the '90s.
 
Stoopid_Sandwich said:
Not to take the wind out of your sales but it’s a little late for our generation to lodge a formal complaint over Wolverine’s bone claws when the story occurred between 1993-2001. I mean for Pete’s sake the people who wrote these stories have grandchildren now. Also the man who pitched that idea, Peter David passed away recently. Can we at least let bygones be bygones? Has enough time passed where we can say this is water under the bridge and respect the history?


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I understand they’re here, they are part of Wolverine’s history. But they will never make sense. Thick bone claws will never fit into thin adamantium blades. It didn’t make sense then and it doesn’t now. PAD having passed away recently doesn’t change that.
 
Wait. The bone claws are inside the metal ones? I assumed they figured out a way to truly remove them and just used the base of them. That is pretty dumb.
 
PanchaMaestro said:
Wait. The bone claws are inside the metal ones? I assumed they figured out a way to truly remove them and just used the base of them. That is pretty dumb.
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So you think that when the original claws were removed, it left behind a stump and then the claws grew back from the original stumps? That’s fine logic except wouldn’t the stumps be completely coated in adamantium like the rest of his skeleton?


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I was just under the impression that those would’ve grown in place if the adamantium hadn’t been there to stop the growth, not that the bone claws were coated with it. Sort of like his healing factor was suppressed by the adamantium so he could recover from even more damage without it.

Logan’s adamantium stuff has always been weird. Like sometimes his skeleton looked like metal bones, and sometimes it looked like a Terminator endoskeleton with robotics and wires and stuff. There’s hardly any rhyme or reason to it.
 
I always felt his bone claws stopped expanding when he had the metal ones. Because they had the metal surrounding them in the first place, they got crushed by the process. Then, while having the metal surrounding what was left, they would just heal inside the metal, but couldn't really expand because they were beaing constricted. Kind of like how your hair will just stop growing at some point because it just knows when to. And then when he lost the metal surrounding them, they were able to expand out to meet the required thickness to be able to not break since they no longer had the indestructible housing. And I think they still did from time to time. Not to mention they, as stated above, also look kinda gnarly due to all the things they've been through. Healing and breaking and being compressed and expanding. Normal bones honestly can heal kinda like that too if not set right.

If we are gonna actually debate the topic of hypothetical claws coming out of someones hand, how do they not just shred the fuck out of his skin and muscles, and fall out every time he hits something with just a little less give then paper mache? He would need some sort of plates on both sides of his hand to keep them from doing that, but that would still hurt and rip his skin up every time he tried to "make a door."













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Or just the spacing in the bone. I never thought about it. The housing of them existed and were just adapted. Probable impossibilities are easier to believe than improbable possibilities rule of fiction and all. I can accept say a radioactive spider turns Peter Parker into Spiderman more than how many people he knows also get superpowers unrelated to knowing him.
 
raybot said:
I was just under the impression that those would’ve grown in place if the adamantium hadn’t been there to stop the growth, not that the bone claws were coated with it. Sort of like his healing factor was suppressed by the adamantium so he could recover from even more damage without it.

Logan’s adamantium stuff has always been weird. Like sometimes his skeleton looked like metal bones, and sometimes it looked like a Terminator endoskeleton with robotics and wires and stuff. There’s hardly any rhyme or reason to it.
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Yeah. Plus how can he move his arms after he pops his claws? Wouldn’t they sever all of his tendons on the way down his forearm? Also I’m pretty sure those tendons wouldn’t immediately be able to grow back if they rubber band from his hand to his elbow. Not to mention all of the nerve damage and the ligaments and joints that would sever and hematoma. That’s nasty stuff to have to contend with every few minutes or so.

I think we just made the case for why Len Wein decided to make the claws affixed to his gloves rather than a part of the skeleton when he created the character.


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I mean it never occurred to him. On one level it makes more sense for existing claws replaced with new ones. His anatomy is adapted to house them. I mean its genre comics. Its all inherently silly.
 
hmmberto said:
It probably wasn't my actual very first one technically, but this is the issue I have in mind as the first comic I ever read. I've been chasing that big group display of superheroes for 30 years! Can't believe we finally have every single character in this picture now.

But cripes, I never realized how huge Colossus is here. Did I miss the ability where he gets bigger with grief?
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I think some artists just loved making Colossus extra big. It got weird when it translated to toys. The original Toy Biz Colossus with the big, stupid, dumbbell was my first X-Men figure. They didn’t make a new version for years and when they did he was this massive chunk of a figure who had arms so big they barely moved. Putting those two figures side-by-side was comical.

NORM said:
I always thought Wolvie’s stats (short dude, really heavy) was due to the weight of Adamantium covering his bones, coupled with the increase in muscle mass just to move a heavier skeleton around. He didn’t need to be gargantuan in proportions, but it also wasn’t out of left field for him to be depicted in such a way. But the thick bone claws definitely felt like a stretch to me, since they had so often before that been depicted as slender blades.
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I recall a lot of cards and bios of Wolverine back then listing two weights for him because of the presence of the adamantium skeleton. My memory says it was 250lbs without and 350 with.
 
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