Generative AI

docsilence said:
God god the depths to which this violates the children's book author's work and intellectual property just made me see red. Not directed at you, it's the lack of understanding on the part of the coworker. They fed someone else's life's work into a machine to rewrite it. It's so fucking violating and people have no idea. Imagine needing a stock photo of a kid and feeding someone's child's photos into AI and seeing what it spits out. It's like that.
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One of the uses floated in one of the webinars I attended was more or less this. The suggestion was letting students get more into a book by feeding a book into AI and then having it role play as the characters so they could "talk" to those characters.

I had to take a break after because it was such a disgusting thing.
 
JakeEkiss said:
One of the uses floated in one of the webinars I attended was more or less this. The suggestion was letting students get more into a book by feeding a book into AI and then having it role play as the characters so they could "talk" to those characters.

I had to take a break after because it was such a disgusting thing.
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Imagine if we lived in a world where those same people said 'what if we just paid like 100 bucks each for a couple of local actors to just play the characters in class for the day and talk to the kids as if they are those characters?'

My god. It's not even fucking difficult. I once hired a girl to play Elsa at my daughter's birthday party. This wonderful young lady hung around with and entertained something like 7 or 8 young girls for a few hours and even with like a 40% tip, it only cost me 500 bucks or so.
 
Damien said:
Imagine if we lived in a world where those same people said 'what if we just paid like 100 bucks each for a couple of local actors to just play the characters in class for the day and talk to the kids as if they are those characters?'

My god. It's not even fucking difficult. I once hired a girl to play Elsa at my daughter's birthday party. This wonderful young lady hung around with and entertained something like 7 or 8 young girls for a few hours and even with like a 40% tip, it only cost me 500 bucks or so.
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Well, and the part that was worse here was they were pitching it as part of instruction, so the notion you'd be learning more about the text because an AI was generating fanfic at you. Which is just flat not what literary analysis is about, if it were lit course would spend a lot more time going through AO3 archives.
 
Damien said:
My god. It's not even fucking difficult. I once hired a girl to play Elsa at my daughter's birthday party. This wonderful young lady hung around with and entertained something like 7 or 8 young girls for a few hours and even with like a 40% tip, it only cost me 500 bucks or so.
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Right? We had a Moana at one of our parties, but you mean to say we could have just gotten some bullshit hologram for next to nothing and created a completely forgettable experience for our little girl?! Also, my brother-in-law wouldn't have rushed over so quickly when we let him know "Yeah, we have a Moana for the party". Win/win.
JakeEkiss said:
AI was generating fanfic at you.
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Ex-fucking-actly!!!!!! No one gets this shit. Again, like with the holograms... getting a bullshit copy/attempt at a thing is NOT the same as the thing. I could feed AI with the entire catalog of a dead artist then ask them "do this song in their style", and maybe it would sound JUST like how that person would do it, but it's NOT THAT FUCKING PERSON! So why would I ever listen to that shit? I hesitate to listen to real, breathing people who play 'like Stevie Ray Vaughan', I'm certainly not going to waste my ears on some computer simulation of him.
 
JakeEkiss said:
Well, and the part that was worse here was they were pitching it as part of instruction, so the notion you'd be learning more about the text because an AI was generating fanfic at you. Which is just flat not what literary analysis is about, if it were lit course would spend a lot more time going through AO3 archives.
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Oh, gross. That's way worse than I thought. I assumed it was an engagement mechanic to get the kids to be more interested in the characters as real people so they'd WANT to analyze the text. Not just something to do in place of being analytical at all.


Ru1977 said:
Right? We had a Moana at one of our parties, but you mean to say we could have just gotten some bullshit hologram for next to nothing and created a completely forgettable experience for our little girl?! Also, my brother-in-law wouldn't have rushed over so quickly when we let him know "Yeah, we have a Moana for the party". Win/win.
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Next time just sit your kid at the computer and get an algorithm to pretend to be Moana chatting with her, I guess. Way... better.
 
20 minutes with AI Moana and your kid is like 'I don't know, dad, I think some good things came from slavery.'
 
One of the things kills me is that folks will use it for fanfic generation and we're over in the Joes threads having fun with little fan fic bios I write in 25 minutes using the three pounds of wet bacon fat that sits inside my skull and writing those is like, the highlight of my day. But there are people out there who'd claim they "wrote" those cards by asking ChatGPT to write a "disavowed" Hawk file card or something and say they ddi what we did.

I worked for CEO, one of the literally worst people I've ever met, who "used ChatGPT to write children's books to read to my kids" and I'm like you PSYCHOPATH, there are hundreds of thousands of beautiful books crafted by humans you could let them experience...
 
docsilence said:
I worked for CEO, one of the literally worst people I've ever met, who "used ChatGPT to write children's books to read to my kids" and I'm like you PSYCHOPATH, there are hundreds of thousands of beautiful books crafted by humans you could let them experience...
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Shocked he descended from the money throne to do the reading himself.
 
yojoebro82 said:
I don't know if I see it that way. We were going to write some part for this student one way or another. Whether she or I or a machine did it. We were going to put additional material into this play that wasn't in the book. Well books and other things get adapted all the time for plays and movies, some liberties get taken, some things get added, some things get taken out. Was Tolkien violated when the Hobbit movie added all those additional elements? Does it make a difference if a human or a machine added those things? (No, I promise you, our play is nowhere near Tolkien-level :) ).
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Honestly, this is the confusion that's killing my entire industry. Again, not an attack - it's something MOST PEOPLE DO NOT UNDERSTAND. These AI algorithms have been fed our work, copyrighted, without our permission or compensation, so that massive tech companies can get rich off of it, and also without guardrails - yeah, your colleague did something benign and harmless, and in fact, if it didn't use a technology that wasn't already abusing her work to begin with, most authors would agree to it! But it's CONSENT, man. It's consent, to feed your HUMAN VOICE into a MASSIVE MONEY MAKING MACHINE that will then ALSO USE IT FOR ANYTHING ELSE ANYONE ELSE WANTS IT TO DO.

I'm capitalizing not to shout in anger but to make it very clear. Your colleague wrote a few lines of dialogue. Someone else says "write me a book in the voice of Matthew Phillion" and then posts it on Kindle. Or, as we're about to see with Disney, "make me me a video of Stitch fucking Moana in the ass." And it will. These guys raided our culture and devalued and degraded everything we've ever done.

So yeah, it' makes a huge, huge, huuuuuuge difference. And with the Tolkien example, read up on how BRUTALLY protective his estate is of his work. They approve EVERYTHING anyone does with it. But he's also famous and has the weight of history behind him to protect him. 99% of creators out there? We're just fucked, man. I can't hire a lawyer capable of protecting me. That children's book author your friend used? She can't hire her own lawyer, not one with the clout to win. And mind you Anthropic settled the lawsuit over pirating books because they knew they were going to lose and it was easier to pay 3% of what they would have if they lost in court voluntarily. They KNOW they're killing us, they don't care, and all we're trying to do is BEG people to not hold the knife and stab us in the back alongside the tech companies. The only thing that saves creatives right now is regular people showing an ounce of decency, and nobody is.
 
And I know I sound angry. But hey, I’m a nobody, right? So why did Anthropic feed all of my books into their algorithm? They did this to nearly every working author in the world. And this is what is used to write that corporate email, or that children’s book, or that RFP, or whatever. Anthropic got about 80% of my work; ChatGPT got ALL of it.

I cannot explain how much it feels like the world hates creators every time someone uses an LLM.

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Agreed. "Passionate", especially when personally affected by this, isn't the same as angry. You clearly are vehement about being understood.
 
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